A Mind in Crisis (Rant Warning…)

[AnotherSkip]

Oh yes by the way For the record I agree with tetsubo's Quote
"Points (equal points or even very precisely calculated points) do not make balance happen in play. Instead, balance in play is what shows the points and costs were appropriate."

Yep you are right, however if a Gm does not make them cool then they are wasted.

Howabout a character who builds a Great Cleave character and then you never run into more than two creatures at a time? Are not _those_ points wasted?

Basically it is up to the Gm and the player to work together to make the character workable as well as valuable. and that is the rub it equally applies to _every_ system. Not just Hero not just D&D, every system.

So Basically Tetsujii's rant is not about the HERO system but about ALL systems.

[tesuji]

Failed my will save, but then due to the indomitable will feat, got a reroll and made it.

Thanks for the unique perspective sharing there Anotherskip.

Happy holiday.

[tesuji]

a quick note to nightshade...

the MIDNIGHT sourcebook/worldbook out for d20 presents a new campaign "epic fantasy in the age of shadow" and has only the barbarian, fighter and rogue from the core books with all other classes replaced. it seems like a somewhat different magic system, but i only took a few minutes in my flgs to look it over.

I have heard good things about it but have no use for it right now myself.

[Rene]

Originally posted by tesuji
a quick note to nightshade...

the MIDNIGHT sourcebook/worldbook out for d20 presents a new campaign "epic fantasy in the age of shadow" and has only the barbarian, fighter and rogue from the core books with all other classes replaced. it seems like a somewhat different magic system, but i only took a few minutes in my flgs to look it over.

I have heard good things about it but have no use for it right now myself.

Seems like a good idea. This is the kind of stuff I'd like to see more for D&D. Those three classes are among the most versatile and universal from D&D. I really dislike the official magic system (and the classes that depends more heavily on it). They seem to me very little representative from fantasy literarure.

Basically I'd like a magic system that offered two other options: more free-form magic for the heavily magical classes (a la Ars Magica), and further options for more limited magical classes like the Ranger and Paladin from today, but getting rid of the times/day stuff and making them more customizable.

[rayoman]

Forget it.

What I had to say isn't worth writing, especially in this thread.

[Killer Shrike]

Originally posted by Rene

Basically I'd like a magic system that offered two other options: more free-form magic for the heavily magical classes (a la Ars Magica), and further options for more limited magical classes like the Ranger and Paladin from today, but getting rid of the times/day stuff and making them more customizable.

Then you are going to like Fantasy HERO

[Rene]

Originally posted by Killer Shrike
Then you are going to like Fantasy HERO

I bet I will.

You know, I really really liked when D&D 3rd made their Skill-system more HERO-like. If only they'd got rid of the magic system...

[AnotherSkip]

I knew we'd eventually get to the best part.
Agreeing.

really the best part of any system is the friends you have to share it.

and the Spell System of AD&D is kinda based upon the magic system from Jack Vances works.

so as long as you understand where things are from you can kinda rationalise the system.

D&D can be a cool amalagam of stuff, until you want something really different.