Official conversions

**tenebre** · Feb 20th, '03, 04:26 AM

are there any magazines etc with official conversions for marvel, DC or whatever heroes?

I would really like to see The Flash in the hero system.

Yes i do realize i could jsut make them all, but i wondered if maybe they had been made already. Any edition is fine with me.

**Chaosliege** · Feb 20th, '03, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by tenebre
are there any magazines etc with official conversions for marvel, DC or whatever heroes?

I would really like to see The Flash in the hero system.

Yes i do realize i could jsut make them all, but i wondered if maybe they had been made already. Any edition is fine with me.

I don't think there are any magazines with something like that, because publishing it would be copyright infringement. There are however, several web sites out there that are dedicated to posting Marvel and DC write-ups. I dont remember the name of it, but there was even a thread on these boards somewhere that had write-ups of the entire justice legue.

**Monolith** · Feb 20th, '03, 06:31 AM

The were two issues of the Adventurer's Club in the early 80s which had conversion for Marvel Superheroes and DC Heroes. I think they were between issues 2 and 6 but I will not swear to it. I think someone took the Marvel conversion and put it on a website. You can probably find it if you do a search on google.

**Supreme** · Feb 20th, '03, 06:59 AM

As Chaosliege mentioned, it would be copyright infringement for HERO to publish "official" conversions of characters. And Marvel and DC both have their own RPGs, so allowing such conversions would undermine their own games, and violate any contract that they had with the game-makers. Of course someone could easily sit down and work out system-to-system conversions based upon what each games stats are supposed to mean in real terms (i.e., to lift 100 tons is a 60 STR in HERO, but in Marvel RPG its...). Of course you may want to base a character's write up on the most recent "Universe" book from DC or Marvel (I think DC's "Universe" book was called "Who's Who"). I would trust such a conversion over what's published in one of the other RPG books, as the people who write those are not necessarily die-hard enthusiasts like the rest of us.

My problem with most of the write-ups I've seen is that the older and more beloved the character is, the more insane the write-up. I'm sorry, I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I just do not believe that Batman has a 30 DEX. That is 4x the human limit (with the doubling every 5 points rule). 20 DEX with 8 overall levels, sure. But not 30.

**Monolith** · Feb 20th, '03, 07:02 AM

The webpage which has the Marvel Superheroes conversion is here:

www.geocities.com/Area51/Nova/1996/marvel1.html

I did not find anything on the DC Heroes game from the "official" conversion.

**tenebre** · Feb 20th, '03, 07:03 AM

you are right.. i jsut got the first 10 adventururs club mags in the mail today.. i will look through them

i agree batman shuld have a 20 DEX tops. but you can plenty give him stuff to make up for it

**Monolith** · Feb 20th, '03, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by Supreme
I'm sorry, I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I just do not believe that Batman has a 30 DEX. That is 4x the human limit (with the doubling every 5 points rule). 20 DEX with 8 overall levels, sure. But not 30.

Consider yourself flamed.

Also keep in mind that the human limit in the CU is 30, not 20.

**nblade** · Feb 20th, '03, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by Supreme

My problem with most of the write-ups I've seen is that the older and more beloved the character is, the more insane the write-up. I'm sorry, I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I just do not believe that Batman has a 30 DEX. That is 4x the human limit (with the doubling every 5 points rule). 20 DEX with 8 overall levels, sure. But not 30. [/B]

Well I've had a problem with most of the write-ups I've seen for a simliar reason. I think many people give them higher stats than have especially in the SPD arena. Or they try to give them every "power stunt" that they have ever done as a power. I guess that's why I always like the Project 250 (now defunct due to obvisous reasons).

**Law Dog** · Feb 20th, '03, 08:04 AM

Of cousrse there is also the counterpoint that waged for hundreds of posts on the old boards that Batman isn't really a normal and even if you do classify him as a normal, that he doesn't need to fit the stats for a normal.

Nice thing about Champions is that there are many roads to get to Rome on. You can create a very valid Batman and still keep his stats all under 20 if you wish. You just start loading up non-power powers like Dex Drain versus hand-to-hand opponent, only benefits Batman (to simulate how Batman is the superior martial artist) and put his utility belt on a cosmic power pool (to simulate how he was fortunate enough to put exactly what he needed in the belt that morning).

The key is to remember that you're trying to simulate Batman how he is portrayed in the comics, not how he would operate in the real world.

**tiger** · Feb 20th, '03, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by Monolith
Also keep in mind that the human limit in the CU is 30, not 20.

Depends on ones point of view. If you look in CKC you find very few that have DEX at 30 and none over.

Most of those with that high a dex are aliens or mutants. DR D has a 30 but that can be argued as his armor.

**tiger** · Feb 20th, '03, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by Law Dog
The key is to remember that you're trying to simulate Batman how he is portrayed in the comics, not how he would operate in the real world.

True..In the comics it is said that Batman knows every form of Martial Arts known to man. This is quite impossible unless you several hundred years old.

While it might be possible to know the basic form, Kung Fu, it would be impossible to know every subform, Dragon, Tiger Claw etc, of every form of martial arts..

The Marvel Handbook will be useful in write ups. The DC won't I have both. Marvel will tell you how much the can lit, DCs merely says that they are super strong

**Monolith** · Feb 20th, '03, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by tiger
Depends on ones point of view. If you look in CKC you find very few that have DEX at 30 and none over.

This has to do more with character concept than anything else. In CKC it also has to do with the fact that they are villains and should not always be greater than the PCs who will be fighting them. As I said above, this is why you will see a lot more 20 or 23 or 26 DEX scores as opposed to 21, 24, and 27. It gives the PCs the "initiative" edge.

If you take a look at Nighthawk, Shugoshin, Green Dragon, and Cheshire Cat you will see that they are all "starting level" martial artists with DEX scores in the 24-27 range. A 30 is clearly a pinnacle score that few starting level characters should have, but that does not mean that a 450 point example of all the above characters will not have it.

Also keep in mind that Steve Long designed the Lightning Reflexes talent and clearly favors it in his character designs.

**MisterVimes** · Feb 20th, '03, 08:52 AM

I noticed back when those issues first came out that a straight conversion of DC Heoes and Marvel SHRPG resulted in similar DC characters having DEX about 10 points higher than Marvel and SPD 2 points higher than marvel

Comparing Hawkeye to Green Arrow for example.
I usually ended up raiing the Marvel sharacters 5 DEX and 1 SPD and lowering the DC Heroes 5 DEX and 1 SPD and they seemed to balance at that point.

**tiger** · Feb 20th, '03, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Monolith
Also keep in mind that Steve Long designed the Lightning Reflexes talent and clearly favors it in his character designs.

Again one way to look at it. Another way is to see how silly it is for heroes or villians to have a base 11+ OCV/DCV/ECV. When you add in levels and such it gets a bit ridiculous.

A lower dex hero or villian with lightning refelxes still allows them to move more quickly because of their "agility". Thus forgoing the need of extremely high dex.

It's all depends on ones point of view and the "levels" one wants to play at.

Also, just because a character isn't 400+ doesnt' mean they are starting level characters. All the characters you mention could easily be experience heros who started at a lower point level. Again, just depends on ones point of view, everyones tastes and champaigns run a different. The beauty of this game over some others.

**Law Dog** · Feb 20th, '03, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by tiger
True..In the comics it is said that Batman knows every form of Martial Arts known to man. This is quite impossible unless you several hundred years old.

While it might be possible to know the basic form, Kung Fu, it would be impossible to know every subform, Dragon, Tiger Claw etc, of every form of martial arts..

Again, this is a case being too literal. Batman, as presented, never fights by using any specific form. He's just kicking ass and taking names. Maybe the closest thing that his combat style would be compaired to would be Jeet Kune Do.

And, of course, in the land of comic books, a person could have mastered every known form of martial arts if the author said they did because - - - It's Fiction.