Cool Guns for your Games

[Delthrien]

Ah... found this one today...

Dr. Grordborts Infallible Aether Oscillators

[Remjin]

Oh my, I can't believe I forgot this one... the weapon of the Graviton Cleric, a highly modified Beretta 92 =)

[lensman]

Actually its Grammerton Cleric

[Gary Miles]

Actually its Grammerton Cleric

Actually, if you look at the bottom of the picture, it's "Grammaton" Cleric...

[gewing]

I have always had a soft spot for KelTec's SU16 w/ optional bayonet, their folding carbine version and their 5.56mm pistol. Darned neat to look at.


BTW, love that Bushwhacker.

I like the 5.56mm pistol, but so far my two favorites of their guns are the
RFB bullpup 7.62x51mm. the "carbine is only 26" long, has an 18" barrel, and a 20 round magazine!

then the P3AT. Sure, it is "only" a .380 acp, but a .380 no one knows you have beats a .44 magnum you had to leave at home.
http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/p3at.html

I can LITERALLY cover one of these up with my hand, and my dad carried his in his back pocket for 2 years, no one knew he had it.

Their new PF-9 looks good, but not quite as small.

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/pf9.html

[gewing]

I know one of the big bore AR's (Beowulf IIRC) was being marketed as an anti-vehicle rifle, something that could take out the engine block of a car or boat. The .458 SOCOM was being pushed as a suppressed semi auto rifle, that big bullet doesn't need to be supersonic to deliver a lot of energy to the target.

I'd guess these guns are 80% beer & pretzels and 20% actual need for them.

the I like the idea of them for short range hunting rifles.


If the recoil is tolerable to the officer involved, I think they would be good patrol rifles for rural law enforcement. by changing magazines, one could have a sintered core frangible bullet that would not overpenetrate (in theory), a hollowpoint for putting down road hit game or livestock, or an AP round that should do a fair job of penetrating engine blocks and such.

I would also give serious thought to them in a "stargate" type campaign situation. If you don't know what you might run into, how do you know your 5.56mm will handle it? Personally, I would lean towards 7.62x51mm, 6.5x55mm, .260 Rem... OR even more powerful.

having a Marlin 1895GS " stainless steel GUIDE GUN "

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firear...re/1895GS.aspx
with a ghost ring rear sight and a picatinny rail mounted 1.5-4.5 x leupold scope

loaded with hot and heavy loads like the Garrett
http://www.garrettcartridges.com/products.asp

the 420 grain (437 grains= 1 ounce) Super hard cast semi-wadcutter (wide meplat) at 1850 fps will iirc do a through and through on TWO zebras....

the speer 500 grain tungsten cored solid at 1530...


they also make a soft point 350 grain at 2000fps and several companies make similar loads.

Should have a reasonable chance of stopping ANY land animal on this planet with the right loads and a decent shot.

[gewing]

Oh my, I can't believe I forgot this one... the weapon of the Graviton Cleric, a highly modified Beretta 92 =)

I suspect it is technically a highly modified Beretta 93R, due to the selector switch.

However, I believe you are correct, as the 93r I believe is a variant of the 92.

[Publius]

American 180, a .22LR hose (extremely high rate of fire, supposidely the recoil doesn't affect the aim until AFTER the entire burst goes downrange)
Ares FMG knockoff, in closed "Radio-mode" (designed to look vaguely like a protable radio, I like the antenna: nice touch)
Ares FMG knockoff about three second later (according to their claim), transformed and ready for action! Go Go Gunbot.
KRISS submachinegun, another high rate of fire, but with design features designed specifically to reduce recoil effects.
A nice bullpup sniper rifle, based on another KelTec (I like the original design, which has nice clean lines and the same barrel length of the FAL because of the bullpup design, this one has that much more barrel length whcih is key with sniper rifles AIU)

[Matt Frisbee]

(From Another Thread Department

Now THIS is what I call a weapon!

[Remjin]

I suspect it is technically a highly modified Beretta 93R, due to the selector switch.

However, I believe you are correct, as the 93r I believe is a variant of the 92.

The selector switch was added on, actually, from a Beretta 92. The older Berettas had a manual safety, so perhaps its based on one of those. Not sure, really. It was all in an article where the guy who made it talked about how he made it.

With the 93R, the slide would be a bit beefier, then there'd be the complication of fitting that front add-on piece over the extra assembly in the front. Also, the stock would be different, as the 93R had provisions for a stock, a different kind of magazine, and something or other I forget about...

The 93R was based off the 92, but underwent quite a bit of modification, including beefing everything up. Most of it was thickness and the front assembly for the small forward grip, and in the stock. Obviously the frame and slide were beefed up a bit as well, making it a slightly meatier looking gun.

I had a brief research streak as I considered purchasing one until I hit the legal wall of Illinois gun fear.

[Remjin]

An interesting smg from H&K... the MP7.

[gewing]

One I had only half noted....

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn73-e.htm





Still pretty heavy, but there are a lot of weapons in the same range, M60, etc...

same site has a nice writeup on the Kel-tec RFB
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn75-e.htm


This one has been posted before, but...
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn72-e.htm


and if you REALLY need a weapon for the 30+ strength 8' tall brick in you party...
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn55-e.htm

Then the question becomes, 14.5mm for AP, or 20mm for HE effect


edit
one of my favorite "gamer guns" but one that I would actually like to have is this
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg73-e.htm


marketed in the US as the EAA Witness line, the steel framed versions ability to be converted to anything from 9mm through .45, including full bore 10mm Auto... is nice. It felt superb in my hand, iirc better than my sig p228. the ability to have iirc 16 rds of 10mm auto in a reasonably sized gun...

[Inu]

Actually, if you look at the bottom of the picture, it's "Grammaton" Cleric...

Is the gun called a 'Tetra', by any chance?

[Publius]

shhh, you do not want to call the wrath of the Tetragrammarian down...

[T. K. Bertram]

Back during the 70's and 80's, the Germans seemed to have a thing about making weapons that looked like they were mated with their own luggage. The best examples I can remember are the Walther WA-2000 (featured in The Living Daylights) and the H&K G11 (which would have replaced the G3 as the Bundeswher's standard rifle in the 1990s if not for the collapse of the Soviet Union).