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  1. Feb 10th, '03, 04:06 PM #1
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    SAS-Champions Conversions: back and Forth

    Has anyone figured out good converstion forumalas between the Hero System and the D10 Tri-Stat system used in Guardians of Order's Silver Age Sentinels RPG?

    I figured with all the "friendly" rivalry going on between the two companies and their fans that someone would want to see what having a character like the Sentinel in your campaign would REALLY entail....
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    I think someone on the SAS/HERO Showdown boards stated that they were very close to having a version finished. You might want to check there to get his name and email address.
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    It would be nice to have a conversion system. There are many characters and concepts in SAS that I'd like to see worked up in Hero system terms. But what wouold be the best source to convert from? The tri-stat version or the D20 version? Seems like the D20 version would have a little more "granularity". That might make it easier to 'port to Hero.
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    Morningstar and I had bounced a few things back and forth. He was working from D20 and I from TriStat D10. We were often close but differences did crop up. On the whole, he was further along than I.

    Now Steve probably has something but doesn't want to publish it. His comments about how many points Kreuzritter was relative to Dr. Destroyer were eerily accurate.
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    Originally posted by Tom McCarthy
    Now Steve probably has something but doesn't want to publish it. His comments about how many points Kreuzritter was relative to Dr. Destroyer were eerily accurate.
    I missed that thread. How many points did he say Kreuzritter was? And what did you guys calculate? Did you actually do a character sheet in Hero for him? One thread that I saw before the old boards went down had a Sentinal write-up that I snagged. Boy was he high-powered!
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    Kreuzritter

    Here's a really mucky chunk of HTML which is Kreuzritter's character sheet. He's pretty close to Steve's estimated value when interviewed by GoO (the question was Kreuzritter vs. Destroyer). Note that the VPP may be significantly underpowered. Judge for yourself.

    Oh, yuck. Just previewed it and it looks horrible against the board's colours. Definitely snag it off the printer friendly version of the page.

    <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Your Hero!Kreuzritter
    </TITLE></HEAD>
    <BODY BGCOLOR=WHITE>
    <table border=1 bordercolor="#000000" cellpadding=0 style="font-size: x-small" width=760>
    <tr valign=top><td width=29%>Name: &nbsp;<B>Kreuzritter
    </b><br>Player: &nbsp;<b>Silver Age Sentinels
    </b><br>
    <hr width=100%>
    <table border=0 cellpadding=2 cellspacing = 0 style="font-size: x-small">
    <tr bgcolor="aaaaaa"><td><b>Val</td><td width=65><b>Char</td><td><b>Base</td><td><b>Cost</td><td><b>Max</td><td><b>Pts</td></tr>
    <tr bgcolor=FFFFFF><td align=center>35</td><td>STR</td><td align=center>10</td><td align=center>x
    1</td><td>____</td><td align=center>25</td></tr>
    <tr bgcolor=dddddd><td align=center>30/34</td><td>DEX</td><td align=center>10</td><td align=center>x
    3</td><td>____</td><td align=center>60</td></tr>
    <tr bgcolor=FFFFFF><td align=center>35</td><td>CON</td><td align=center>10</td><td align=center>x
    2</td><td>____</td><td align=center>50</td></tr>
    <tr bgcolor=dddddd><td align=center>24</td><td>BODY</td><td align=center>10</td><td align=center>x
    2</td><td>____</td><td align=center>28</td></tr>
    <tr bgcolor=FFFFFF><td align=center>25</td><td>INT</td><td align=center>10</td><td align=center>x
    1</td><td>____</td><td align=center>15</td></tr>
    <tr bgcolor=dddddd><td align=center>23</td><td>EGO</td><td align=center>10</td><td align=center>x
    2</td><td>____</td><td align=center>26</td></tr>
    <tr bgcolor=FFFFFF><td align=center>25</td><td>PRE</td><td align=center>10</td><td align=center>x
    1</td><td>____</td><td align=center>15</td></tr>
    <tr bgcolor=dddddd><td align=center>8</td><td>COM</td><td align=center>10</td><td align=center>x
    &#189</td><td>____</td><td align=center>-1</td></tr>
    <tr bgcolor=FFFFFF><td align=center>14/36</td><td>PD<font size=1> (STR/5)</font></td><td align=center>7</td><td align=center>x
    1</td><td>____</td><td align=center>7</td></tr>
    <tr bgcolor=dddddd><td align=center>14/48</td><td>ED<font size=1> (CON/5)</font></td><td align=center>7</td><td align=center>x
    1</td><td>____</td><td align=center>7</td></tr>
    <tr bgcolor=FFFFFF><td align=center>4</td><td>SPD<font size=1> (1+DEX/10)</font></td><td align=center>4</td><td align=center>x
    10</td><td>____</td><td align=center>0</td></tr>
    <tr bgcolor=dddddd><td align=center>14</td><td>REC<font size=1> (STR/5)+<br> &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp(CON/5)</font></td><td align=center>14</td><td align=center>x
    2</td><td>____</td><td align=center>0</td></tr>
    <tr bgcolor=FFFFFF><td align=center>70</td><td>END <font size=1>(CONx2)</font></td><td align=center>70</td><td align=center>x
    &#189</td><td>____</td><td align=center>0</td></tr>
    <tr bgcolor=dddddd><td align=center>118</td><td>STUN <font size=1>(Body)+<br> &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp(STR/2)+(CON/2)</font></td><td align=center>60</td><td align=center>x
    1
    </td><td>____</td><td align=center>58</td></tr>
    <tr><td colspan=5 align=right><b>Characteristics Cost:</td><td align=center>290</td> </table>
    <hr width=100%>
    <table border=0 style="font-size: x-small">
    <tr><td><B>CHA Roll</b>=9+CHA/5</td>
    <td rowspan=2><center><table border=1 style="font-size: x-small">
    <tr><td>Run: <u>&nbsp&nbsp 6" &nbsp </u><br>Swim:<u>&nbsp&nbsp 2" &nbsp </u><br>Jump:<u> 7"/4" </u>
    </td>
    </tr></table></td></tr>
    <tr><td><b>STR Roll: </b><u>&nbsp 16</u><br><b>DEX Roll: </b><u>&nbsp 15/16</u><br><b>INT Roll: </b><u>&nbsp 14</u><br><b>EGO Roll: </b><u>&nbsp 14</u><br><b>PER Roll:<font size=1>(9+INT)/5</font> </b><u>&nbsp 14</table>
    <hr width=100%>
    <table border=0 style="font-size: xx-small" cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0>
    <tr style="font-size: x-small" bgcolor="#aaaaaa"><th>Disadvantages Base (<u> 200
    </u>)</th><th>+Pts</b></th></tr>

    <tr bgcolor=ffffff><td width=90%>Reputation 14- worldwide as magical superpowered conqueror (extreme)</th><th align=right>20</td></tr>

    <tr bgcolor=dddddd><td width=90%>Distinctive Features: lava skin (concealable; extreme reaction)</th><th align=right>20</td></tr>

    <tr bgcolor=ffffff><td width=90%>Public ID: Monarch of Thule; son of WWII Nazi villain (occasionally; severe)</th><th align=right>15</td></tr>

    <tr bgcolor=dddddd><td width=90%>Secret ID: Is actually the WWII Nazi villain (occasionally; severe)</th><th align=right>15</td></tr>

    <tr bgcolor=ffffff><td width=90%>Psych Lim: Haunted by nightmares of own "death"</th><th align=right>10</td></tr>

    <tr bgcolor=dddddd><td width=90%>Phys Lim: Ugly and unappealing</th><th align=right>5</td></tr>

    <tr bgcolor=ffffff><td width=90%>Hunted by Sentinel; 8-; as powerful; jail; limited geography</th><th align=right>10</td></tr>

    <tr bgcolor=dddddd><td width=90%>Hunted by the Guard; 8-; as powerful; jail; limited geography</th><th align=right>10</td></tr>

    <tr bgcolor=ffffff><td width=90%>Hunted by world law enforcement agencies; 8-; less powerful; NCI; jail; limited geography</th><th align=right>10</td></tr>

    <tr bgcolor=dddddd><td width=90%>
    </th><th align=right></td></tr>

    </table>
    <hr width=100%>
    <table border=0 style="font-size: x-small">
    <tr><td><table border=1 style="font-size: x-small">
    <tr valign=TOP><td align=center width=35><font size=large><b> Exp <br>0</td><td align=center width=35><font size=large><b>Plot<br>0</tr></table></td>
    <td align=right>Disadvantages Total: <u>&nbsp115 </u><br>
    Experience Spent +: <u>&nbsp&nbsp446 </u><br>
    Total Cost= <u>&nbsp761 </u>
    </td></tr>
    </table>
    </td><td valign=top width=34%>
    <table border=0 style="font-size: x-small">
    <tr><td><table border=0 style="font-size: x-small" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=1 width=253>
    <tr bgcolor="#aaaaaa"><td width=15%><b>Pts</td><td align=left width=70%><b>Skill /<br>Talent / Perk / Power</td><td width=15%><b>END/<br>Roll</td></tr>

    <tr><td>5</td><td>Lucky: 2D6 Luck</td><td align=center>-</td></tr>
    <tr><td></td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp; Only to escape capture or death (-1)</td><td><center></center></td></tr>
    <tr><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>18</td><td>Heightened Awareness: +6 PER</td><td align=center>-</td></tr>
    <tr><td>3</td><td>Adapted to cold and pressure: LS: extreme cold; high pressure</td><td align=center>-</td></tr>
    <tr><td>1</td><td>Cold adaptation: Armour (0rPD; 2 rED) </td><td align=center>-</td></tr>
    <tr><td></td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp; Only vs. cold (-1)</td><td><center></center></td></tr>
    <tr><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>1</td><td>Pressure adaptation: Armour (2 rPD; 0 rED)</td><td align=center>-</td></tr>
    <tr><td></td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp; Only vs. pressure (-1)</td><td><center></center></td></tr>
    <tr><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>9</td><td>Heat resistance: Armour (0 rPD; 12 rED)</td><td align=center>-</td></tr>
    <tr><td></td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp; Only vs. heat (-1)</td><td><center></center></td></tr>
    <tr><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>17</td><td>LS: Slow aging (1 pt); immune to disease (10); eat once per week (1); reduced breathing (4 points); sleep once per week (1)</td><td align=center>-</td></tr>
    <tr><td>20</td><td>Thulian armour: Armour(10 rPD; 10 rED)</td><td align=center>-</td></tr>
    <tr><td></td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp; OIF Thulian armour (-&#189)</td><td><center></center></td></tr>
    <tr><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>15</td><td>Thulian armour: Armour(10 rPD; 10 rED)</td><td align=center>-</td></tr>
    <tr><td></td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp; OIF Thulian armour (-&#189)</td><td><center></center></td></tr>
    <tr><td></td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp; Activation 14- (-&#189)</td><td><center>14-</center></td></tr>
    <tr><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>8</td><td>Bonded to earth: -10" KB resistance</td><td align=center>-</td></tr>
    <tr><td></td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp; Only when touching the earth (-&#188)</td><td><center></center></td></tr>
    <tr><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>8</td><td>Mental defence 13</td><td align=center>-</td></tr>
    <tr><td>120</td><td>Thulian Mastery of Elements (Variable Power Pool)</td><td align=center>-</td></tr>
    <tr><td>27</td><td>Thulian mastery of Elements (VPP Control Cost)</td><td align=center>-</td></tr>
    <tr><td></td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp; Side effects 2D6 drain vs. all physical characteristics; return 5 points / hour (-1)</td><td><center></center></td></tr>
    <tr><td></td><td>&nbsp;&nbsp; Powers unavailable for amount of time equal to their use (-&#188)</td><td><center></center></td></tr>
    <tr><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>3</td><td>Linguist</td><td>&nbsp</td></tr><br>
    <tr><td>3</td><td>Scholar</td><td>&nbsp</td></tr><br>
    <tr><td>2</td><td>KS: Ancient Architecture</td><td align=center>14<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>5</td><td>PS: Restoration of Artwork (+2)</td><td align=center>16<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>6</td><td>AK: City of Thulestag (+3)</td><td align=center>17<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>7</td><td>SS: Archaeology (+4)</td><td align=center>18<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>2</td><td>KS: American Culture</td><td align=center>14<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>2</td><td>KS: British Culture</td><td align=center>14<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>2</td><td>KS: Russian Culture</td><td align=center>14<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>2</td><td>KS: Japanese Culture</td><td align=center>14<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>3</td><td>Tactics </td><td align=center>14<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>2</td><td>Navigation - Primary Wilderness</td><td align=center>14<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>9</td><td>High Society (+3)</td><td align=center>17<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>5</td><td>Interrogation (+1)</td><td align=center>15<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>5</td><td>Persuasion (+1)</td><td align=center>15<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>7</td><td>Bureaucratics (+2)</td><td align=center>16<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>9</td><td>Power Thulian Elemental Mastery (+3)</td><td align=center>17<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>5</td><td>Oratory (+1)</td><td align=center>15<sup>&#150</sup></td></tr>
    <tr><td>1</td><td>Fluent Czech (German native)</td><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>1</td><td>Fluent Dutch</td><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>1</td><td>Fluent English</td><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>1</td><td>Fluent French</td><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>1</td><td>Fluent Japanese</td><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>1</td><td>Fluent Norwegian</td><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>1</td><td>Fluent Russian</td><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>1</td><td>Fluent Spanish</td><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>32</td><td>+4 with combat </td><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>5</td><td>+1 DCV </td><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>5</td><td>+1 with ranged combat DCV only</td><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>5</td><td>+1 with HTH combat </td><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>3</td><td>+1 with tight group Elemental Mastery powers</td><td>&nbsp</td></tr>
    <tr><td>6</td><td>Lightning Reflexes - All actions (+4)</td><td align=center></td></tr>
    <tr><td>4</td><td>Resistance (+3)</td><td align=center></td></tr>
    <tr><td>3</td><td>Simulate Death</td><td align=center></td></tr>
    <tr><td>35</td><td>Follower Secret Service: 32 agent-level followers</td><td align=center></td></tr>
    <tr><td>10</td><td>Fringe Benefit Monarch of Thule</td><td align=center></td></tr>
    <tr><td>15</td><td>Money Filthy Rich: $10 billion</td><td align=center></td></tr>
    <tr><td>9</td><td>Reputation 14- worldwide/+3/+3D6 violent superpowered conqueror
    </td><td align=center></td></tr>
    <tr><td>&nbsp;</td></tr><tr><td colspan=2><u>&nbsp 471 </u>: <b>Skills and Powers Cost</b></td><td></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><u>&nbsp 290 </u>: <b>+ Char Cost</b></td><td></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=2><u>&nbsp 761 </u>: <b>= Total Cost</b></td><td></td></tr> </table> </table></td><td valign=top width=34%> <table border=0 style="font-size: x-small"> <tr><td align=right>Base&nbspOCV<font size=1>:</td><td>10</td><td align=right>Base&nbspDCV<font size=1>:</td><td>10</tr> <tr><td align=right>Adjustment +</td><td>___</td><td align=right>Adjustment +</td><td>___</td><td align=right></td></tr> <tr><td align=right>Final OCV =</td><td>10</td><td align=right>Final DCV =</td><td>10</u></td><td align=right></td></tr> <tr><td colspan=4>Levels:<br>
    +4 with combat <br>
    +1 DCV <br>
    +1 with ranged combat DCV only<br>
    +1 with HTH combat <br>
    +1 with tight group Elemental Mastery powers<br>
    </td></tr>
    </table><hr width=100%><center><b>Combat Maneuvers<b></center><hr width=100%> <table cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 border=0 style="font-size: xx-small" width=100%> <tr bgcolor="ffffff"><td><b>Maneuver</b></td><td align=center><b>Phase</b></td><td align=center><b>OCV</b></td><td align=center><b>DCV</b></td><td><b>Effect</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="dddddd"><td>Block </td><td align=center>&#189</td><td align=center>- </td><td align=center>- </td><td>stops attacks; abort </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="ffffff"><td>Brace </td><td align=center>0 </td><td align=center>+2 </td><td align=center>&#189</td><td>+2 vs. RMod </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="dddddd"><td>Disarm </td><td align=center>&#189</td><td align=center>-2 </td><td align=center>- </td><td>can disarm;STR v STR </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="ffffff"><td>Dodge </td><td align=center>&#189</td><td align=center>- </td><td align=center>+3 </td><td>vs. all attacks; abort </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="dddddd"><td>Grab </td><td align=center>&#189</td><td align=center>-1 </td><td align=center>-2 </td><td>grab, do STR </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="ffffff"><td>Grab By </td><td align=center>&#189</td><td align=center>-3 </td><td align=center>-4 </td><td>Move and grab </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="dddddd"><td>Haymaker </td><td align=center>&#189</td><td align=center>- </td><td align=center>-5 </td><td>STR + 4D6 </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="ffffff"><td>Move By </td><td align=center>&#189</td><td align=center>-2 </td><td align=center>-2 </td><td>STR/2 + v/5 </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="dddddd"><td>Move Through</td><td align=center>&#189</td><td align=center>-v/5</td><td align=center>-3 </td><td>STR +v/3 </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="ffffff"><td>Set </td><td align=center>1 </td><td align=center>+1 </td><td align=center>- </td><td> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="dddddd"><td>Strike </td><td align=center>&#189</td><td align=center>- </td><td align=center>- </td><td>STR or weapon type </td></tr>
    </table><hr width=100%><center> <table border=0 style="font-size: x-small" cellpadding=2> <tr><td><b>Range <br>RMod</td><td align=center>0-4<br>0</td><td align=center>5-8<br>-2</td><td align=center>9-16<br>-4</td><td align=center>17-32<br>-6</td><td align=center>33-64<br>-8</td><td align=center>65-128<br>-10</td></tr> </table><hr width=100%>DEX: 30 &nbsp&nbsp SPD: 4 &nbsp&nbsp ECV<font size=1>(EGO/3)</font>: 8<br><br>Phases:
    <font size=1>&nbsp 1</font><font size=1>&nbsp 2</font><font size=2><b>&nbsp <u>3</u></b></font><font size=1>&nbsp 4</font><font size=1>&nbsp 5</font><font size=2><b>&nbsp <u>6</u></b></font><font size=1>&nbsp 7</font><font size=1>&nbsp 8</font><font size=2><b>&nbsp <u>9</u></b></font><font size=1>&nbsp 10</font><font size=1>&nbsp 11</font><font size=2><b>&nbsp <u>12</u></b></font><font size=1><br><br>PD/rPD: 14(36) / 0(22) &nbsp&nbsp ED/rED: 14(48) / 0(34)</font><br><br>END: 70
    &nbsp&nbsp STUN: 118
    (60) &nbsp&nbsp BODY: 24
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