Dallas Game Store Problems

**ultrium** · Feb 21st, '03, 01:15 PM

NPC tekkaman lite started this thread on www.rpg.net

Dallas Gamestore Problems

Has anyone in the Dallas and Lewisville Texas areas heard anything about fans petitioning the stores listed here - Borders, Barnes & Noble, Millions, Discount Books, and Comics, Games, & Books - to stop selling all RPG books besides Hero System books?

There is an SAS fan on the GOO boards who swears there is a Hero Games/Hero fans conspiracy to have all those stores stop selling any books but Hero System books. The person also says the Hero System fans and store owners bodily throw out people who want to discuss or write characters for other game systems in the store.

So once again for all you Dallas area people, how much is this person's statement is true, and how much of it is just drug enduced?

can you believe that?

**Chris Goodwin** · Feb 21st, '03, 01:30 PM

I'll post here what I posted there:

I'd say that precisely 0 percent is true and precisely 100 percent is a result of either too much or not enough drugs. Or perhaps not enough tinfoil in the hat.

I also did a search on the GOO boards and found no such thread. Somebody been trolled, and somebody been trolling.

**Chaosliege** · Feb 21st, '03, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by ultrium
NPC tekkaman lite started this thread on www.rpg.net

can you believe that?

This does not surprise me at all. I quit reading the boards for the SAS/Hero showdown( I don't know if these were goo or not) because the SAS guys were continually saying the Hero people were not voting fairly and that the only reason any of the Champions would win is because Hero players out number SAS players 10/1. These comments were continually comming up dispite the fact that SAS had won two out of three matches. I am a Hero player, and I voted for Defender last month, cause I liked the story better. This month, I liked the Slipstream story better, so I voted for him. I guess I shouldn't make that mistake again.....

**Ben Seeman** · Feb 21st, '03, 01:43 PM

I recall reading that exchange... it was in the Kinetik vs. Slipstream thread. If this is the case, which I hihgly doubt, then I hope someone will tell us it is so.

Perhaps tekkaman can tell us exactly which store?

**ultrium** · Feb 21st, '03, 01:47 PM

Can you buy Hero products at Borders or Barnes & Noble? I was at a Barnes & Noble about 2 weeks ago and I did not see any Hero products.

**Monolith** · Feb 21st, '03, 01:47 PM

The statements made by Darrin Kelley and this tekkaman person are on the GoO boards under a thread about a con in Houston. Tekkaman also made the same claims on the Showdown boards during last month's competition.

**SuperPheemy** · Feb 21st, '03, 03:57 PM

You mean I'm not supposed to be bodily throwing out non HERO gamers from my local gamestore in solidarity with the "Dallas Revolution"?

Crap.

Excuse me, I have a lot of apology notes to write.

**Chris Goodwin** · Feb 21st, '03, 05:58 PM

Can someone post linkage to the original postings in the actual thread where it originally appeared?

Edit: Never mind, I found it.

http://pub84.ezboard.com/fsuperheros...art=21&stop=40

**Monolith** · Feb 21st, '03, 06:01 PM

Here you go:

http://pub59.ezboard.com/fguardianso...tart=1&stop=20

**Chris Goodwin** · Feb 21st, '03, 06:11 PM

Thanks, Monolith. That's got more pertinent info than the link I posted.

Methinks I may make some phone calls in the next couple of days.

**Chris Goodwin** · Feb 21st, '03, 06:30 PM

Following up my own postings here....

I read the link that Monolith posted. Found what appeared to be some oversensitive postings that turned into paranoid rantings. It's a long way from being told by a game store owner that the store isn't going to carry any superhero RPGs but Champions to being bodily thrown out of a store for bringing in a character converted to another system, or even petition drives headed up by those nefarious masterminds at Hero Games.

I stand by my initial assessment and will call upon some stores when names are forthcoming (which I have my doubts about).

**GradonSilverton** · Feb 21st, '03, 06:37 PM

wow...just read Monolith's link and all I can say is wow.....

tell me its all fake and a sick joke... please....

I pray to GOD (whichever one will answer) that these people don't ever leave their town... if this isn't a joke, the paranoia is rampant down in Texas.

**ShinDangaioh** · Feb 21st, '03, 06:53 PM

I'm on the GoO boards myself and tend to ignore this nonsense. It makes no sense. In intimidating people to stop playing a game, you will drive a person to that game.

Take a look at Palladium's intimdation tactics.

If it is true, BOTH sides are making gamers lool like rampaging lunatics. Wheras only one side is right now.

The sad part is, that I can see something like this happening. I have encountered elitists in gaming.

If anyone tried to intimidate me by saying that I don't know what a good game system is, I'd list all the games that I have played and scare him/her off.

**Chris Goodwin** · Feb 21st, '03, 07:03 PM

I've met some elitists in gaming myself, and I know that Hero fans have a reputation for being a little over the top. I also know that there are game stores who don't really deserve your business, by saying things like "We don't think there's any reason to play superhero games other than Hero".

All of that aside, I can't see some of the more extreme charges being true. Organized petition drives to keep stores from carrying any RPG products besides Hero? People being bodily thrown out of stores or gaming areas for daring to bring in character sheets written in a different system? That's beyond the pale. As for someone being bodily thrown out from somewhere, if true there's got to be more to the story than that.

**GradonSilverton** · Feb 21st, '03, 07:14 PM

Lets be honest.... Its HARD to make money in any aspect of the RPG industry currently.....anyone with a specticle of business sense would not restric their ability to sell anything.....would they necessarily carry 5 copies of all books in their store...probably not...would they order it for you...absolutly....

as for Hero players being over the top...i dont buy into this...everyone has preferences, and those that are fans of Hero are the minority as a whole...lets face it, D20 in itself is a 400 pound Gorilla....add in D&D and its nor a 1800 lbsGiant Octopus cross bred with a T-Rex....I've played Fuzion, GURPS, and many others and can say that my preference is usually Hero, but there are times when I think others run real smooth...

I know someone who is developing a line of games with a new studio (he has wrote for Hero in the past) and he is moving to a D20 system....why? B/c it will make selling it ALOT easier right now....

Hopefully WE can help take Hero to the promise land and make it where people fight for the rights to use the system...

And I see many hero players like this... they, just like their d20 counterparts think that THEY have the best system.... they can give you reasons but in general I have discovered that many of the newer gamers have only experienced the d20 system, where as many Hero lovers have games for so long they HAVE played MANY MANY systems....

This might make their ability to compare and contrast seem elitest...yet I still sont agree with that statement.