A 6e challenge for Steve

[buzz]

I'm betting a solid revision of the HERO core rules can fit in 320 pages or less. Take me up on it and I'll buy you a cookie! Like, one of those really big ones.

[Enforcer84]

I'll triple his prize if you can have it done by Tuesday.

[Kdansky]

I don't think so I expect a 500 page volume, and that's ok.

[SAVeira]

I'm betting a solid revision of the HERO core rules can fit in 320 pages or less. Take me up on it and I'll buy you a cookie! Like, one of those really big ones.

I will on the other hand offer Steve cold hard cash for core rules over 320 pages. There is going to be a basic version already.

[Supreme Serpent]

I'm betting a solid revision of the HERO core rules can fit in 320 pages or less. Take me up on it and I'll buy you a cookie! Like, one of those really big ones.

Easy peasy. Heck, 5ER can fit on 100 pages. Teeny tiny font size, sure, but can't have everything...

[buzz]

I don't think so I expect a 500 page volume, and that's ok.

It's looking like it's going to be two 500 page volumes, and that honestly concerns me.

[Vondy]

I would rather see him parse out the information for faster reference. The rules can be condensed into 300 pages, but the sample builds for characters, powers, and the like; as well as advice, tables, and appendices are necessary for newbies and do take up 150-200 more pages (and some of that is useful for old-timers as well). As a result, I would like the rules section streamlined for ease of reference, and then see the other material moved to other sections of the book. For instance, instead of a lengthy dissertation on the potential problems with elemental controls in the "rules" section, that can be put in a GM Advice or "Danger Will Robinson" or "tort law" section, while the actual rules section can contain the essential mechanics and optional sidebar methods without too much legalese to wade through for experienced heroites, or those just wanting to check the basic facts of a thing.

[Akiva]

One thing I've noticed about HERO is that sometimes rules are duplicated verbatim in several parts of the book. Removing this duplication and replacing them with page references will help somewhat.

Personally, I don't want a 320-page rulebook. I'm perfectly happy with a 600-page one. I like the level of detail that Steve goes into and I appreciate the number of examples that he uses (although I hope that, in 6E, he varies them some more; I'd like to see examples that don't always involved superheroes or always refer to Energy Blast).

On the other hand, I'm well aware that a huge rulebook is an immediate turn-off to some people especially when lite games are all the rage. It reminds me of when everyone was competing with TSR: 'AD&D has 300 spells?! We'll we've got 3,000! AD&D only has 8 classes?! We've got 60!!' Now it's, 'HERO is 600 pages long?! Well, our game is only 6 sentences long!! And it's just as detailed and rich!!!! SERIOUSLY!!!!!!'

The heft and crunch attracted me to HERO but I'm sure it's also a turn off to people, especially these days. It'll be interesting to see how Steve handles it.

[JohnTaber]

I'm sure this is posted somewhere but at DunDraCon Steve and Darren conveyed that the 6th ed books will be split into two volumes. Characters in one volume and combat/adventuring in a second volume. It will be two physical books. I guess Steve needed lots of space.

[Thia Halmades]

On the other hand, I'm well aware that a huge rulebook is an immediate turn-off to some people especially when lite games are all the rage. It reminds me of when everyone was competing with TSR: 'AD&D has 300 spells?! We'll we've got 3,000! AD&D only has 8 classes?! We've got 60!!' Now it's, 'HERO is 600 pages long?! Well, our game is only 6 sentences long!! And it's just as detailed and rich!!!! SERIOUSLY!!!!!!'

I always feel guilty when I rep my own LOL account.

[Akiva]

I always feel guilty when I rep my own LOL account.

IT TICKLES!&#*!$(

[Akiva]

I'm sure this is posted somewhere but at DunDraCon Steve and Darren conveyed that the 6th ed books will be split into two volumes. Characters in one volume and combat/adventuring in a second volume. It will be two physical books. I guess Steve needed lots of space.

T SATAN PLZ LET THEM BE 600 PAGES EACH

[Sean Waters]

Steve, can I suggest half a dozen different editions, all set in a different size font, so that the rules are the same but the page count is 100, 200, 300 ,400, 500, 600: you CAN please all of the people all of the time

What?

[Sean Waters]

I'm sure this is posted somewhere but at DunDraCon Steve and Darren conveyed that the 6th ed books will be split into two volumes. Characters in one volume and combat/adventuring in a second volume. It will be two physical books. I guess Steve needed lots of space.

I appreciate that this will turn everyone against it, but that is a stunningly good idea. It would allow the Hero rules and the Hero Character Generation System (both excellent products) to be differentiated.

[buzz]

I appreciate that this will turn everyone against it, but that is a stunningly good idea. It would allow the Hero rules and the Hero Character Generation System (both excellent products) to be differentiated.

As I stated above, I worry that this opens the door to making *both* books 500+ pages.

Regardless, I hope that HG are able to brand the book effectively so new users know what it is they are buying. I.e., know that they need both books, etc.