To gun fu or not gun fu?

[Kenn]

With a gun, in particular, I think it can be said that the extra damage represents accuracy.

However, in the example I described above, of a baseball pitcher using his pitching techniques with a hurled attack, the extra damage (or lack thereof) could be force resulting from different pitching speeds.

[steamteck]

Ok, I'll concede to a point on the HTH Martial Arts. They can generate brute force as well as precision.

But then why do the rules say subtract an additional 1d6 from the BODY of a Martial Arts attack when figuring Knockback?

Also, how would a Ranged Martial Art maneuver cause a bullet to generate more damage from a gun if not precision?

The main reason I can think off is not to get crazy knockback. You could make an argument for it being more en genre for MA attacks to deliver not equal knockback with bricks.

Peregrine I'm afraid you'll never convince me a muay thai knee strike or spin kick does more damage because its more precise. Your point works for some attacks but not really for those sort of power attacks.

Ranged MA would have to be precision but as we use hit locations, penalty levels and skill levels workk better for us.

[steamteck]

With a gun, in particular, I think it can be said that the extra damage represents accuracy.

However, in the example I described above, of a baseball pitcher using his pitching techniques with a hurled attack, the extra damage (or lack thereof) could be force resulting from different pitching speeds.

That makes sense to me.

[Vulcan]

The main reason I can think off is not to get crazy knockback. You could make an argument for it being more en genre for MA attacks to deliver not equal knockback with bricks.

Peregrine I'm afraid you'll never convince me a muay thai knee strike or spin kick does more damage because its more precise. Your point works for some attacks but not really for those sort of power attacks.

Ranged MA would have to be precision but as we use hit locations, penalty levels and skill levels workk better for us.

Well, that's one of those little things called special effect. For a Muay Tai fighter, then calling it 'extra force' is perfectly appropriate. For an ancient master, it can be 'chi-power infusing the strike.' For a fencer, then 'expert precision' is entirely appropriate. It all depends on how you define the power...

[steamteck]

Well, that's one of those little things called special effect. For a Muay Tai fighter, then calling it 'extra force' is perfectly appropriate. For an ancient master, it can be 'chi-power infusing the strike.' For a fencer, then 'expert precision' is entirely appropriate. It all depends on how you define the power...

I suppose you're right but being a fencer myself, I can definitely tell you a lunge, for example, has more real power than a thrust. Which is also a major part of my feeling about it since many strikes have more real power

I guess my point is MA extra damage should not be exclusively defined by precision. Personally if it was I'd figure the extra damage was no good for most armor penetration unless one claims ones going for weak spots which in some cases just aren't conveniently were you'd like them to be.

In the end we all go with what stays within our personal willing suspension of belief. I admit I tend to give guns less of a pass because they seem mundane and very unmystical.

[Peregrine]

Peregrine I'm afraid you'll never convince me a muay thai knee strike or spin kick does more damage because its more precise. Your point works for some attacks but not really for those sort of power attacks.

Nor was I trying to do so. Those are "hit with more force due to body mechanics+skill" examples. The "Precision"/NND stuff is nerve strikes, groin shots, joint locks, etc.