Just wondering if someone here can tell me how the new World of Darkness from White Wolf stacks up to the old World of Darkness. How have the settings and rules changed? And does WW still have the tendency to get anvilicious at times?
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Just wondering if someone here can tell me how the new World of Darkness from White Wolf stacks up to the old World of Darkness. How have the settings and rules changed? And does WW still have the tendency to get anvilicious at times?
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So much so that I found it unplayable, but YMMV.Originally Posted by FenrisUlf
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Meh... the old WoD has a lot more character. The new junk doesn't seem to capture the flavor--it's like Underworld instead of Hellboy.
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I don't know what anvilicious means but I will say that White Wolf has never made me feel like Anvils are dropping on my head or that I should be hitting my head against an anvil.
As to the nWoD vs oWoD, the new system is good - the core book works well for straight modern horror, which few things ever have, and the unification of the rules sets makes the entire system, more sleek. It also makes it simple to do the inevitable crossovers. It is, however, uncompromisingly lethal.
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Glad I'm not the only one who couldn't decipher "anvilicious".
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The system is worse, and the setting loses something with the various changes and things that haven't been carried over. Vampire is certainly nothing like the same game.
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I never was much into the system for either. I got stuff for the setting and the old Vampire setting has tons more character.
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Anvilicious would be a good band name.
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Relating to the pretence of far too many otherwose-excellent WW oWoD books...
I just got an old WoD book ("Killing Streets" for Kindred of the East), and some of their comments are so wrongheaded they have me rolling on the floor.
For instance: "prostitution did not exist in Asan cultures until it was introduced during the colonial period." Really, oh pretentious White Wolf writer? Really? I bet that that Robert van Gulik, the Sinologist (professional student of Chinese culture) who wrote a book covering the millennia-long history of prostitution and the sex trade in ancient China, would disagree.
Bascially the whole theme of the book, which bluntly describes itself in chapter 1 as "a moral agenda", is that those simple primitive Asians were so much better off before they allowed their pure cultures to be defiled by such western abominations as modern medicine, democratic politics, and advanced farming techiques. All done in that "clueless angry teenager" tone, too.
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ummm so assuming that they didn't opt to alter the history for their fictitious world in order to support the themes in that game, you're expecting a game designer to be as well or better versed than the guy who literally wrote the book on the topic?
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Personally, I expect at the least basic research and a reasonable familiarity with the subject matter. That's a really bone headed mistake, the kind you couldn't make after more than the most casual survey of classic Chinese literature, drama or history.
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I'm sorry, I had no idea that White Wolf produced historical roleplaying games.
Which history books did they get the vampires from?
Mostly Harmless
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Well, they do claim that the World of Darkness is just the same as the real world, except for the supernatural stuff, which is the "real" reason for actual historical events. So they're at least pretending that their descriptions of what other cultures are like are accurate.
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As Karma noted, tWoD is meant to be the secret history of the Real World (TM) plus the supernatural. For that to work requires some passing attempt at research before the supernatural elements are added.
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