Lady Liberty = MnM character

[danbuter]

Just saying, in case you didn't know. She's in Freedom City timeline.

[Jeff T.]

Umm, yeah. There's alot of characters in MnM's Freedom City book.

Your point?

[danbuter]

The name of the "Name The Character" contest on Hero Games front page just happens to be Lady Liberty.

[Hermit]

Originally posted by danbuter
The name of the "Name The Character" contest on Hero Games front page just happens to be Lady Liberty.

Well, I'm not sure when Freedom City first came out, but I'm pretty sure this Lady Liberty (which has been around since November of last year, I believe) is no relation

[Lord Liaden]

I'm pretty sure the name falls within the public domain by this point - it's been applied to many characters and images over the years, not the least being that dame with the torch in New York Harbor.

This is probably a good excuse to repost this info: Steve Kenson, the author of Freedom City, originally wrote the manuscript as a supplement for HERO System as part of Gold Rush Games' "San Angelo" line, before Cybergames bought back the property. A while ago Steve generously put up the old HERO stats for many of the characters from that book on the web, free to anyone who wants them. They're for Fourth Edition HERO System, but pretty easy to convert; they make many of the Freedom City characters almost immediately usable for Champions games. You can download the file via this link:

http://members.aol.com/talonstudio/f...ty/fchero.html

[Talon]

Just for the record, I hadn't (and still haven't) seen Freedom City -- the name just popped into my head. Not a massive leap of originality, I know.

[Enforcer84]

Yes, and The Raven was a Dark Champions character. And Captain Thunder was a comic book about an anthropomorphic rabbit. Siren was from Champions Atlantis almost a decade ago. Your point being?

[Darren Watts]

FWIW, there was a Lady Liberty in the Force of July in the old Outsiders series by DC in the early '80s. We only stress over name duplication if there's some likelihood of confusion or if the other character is so well known it would interfere with the ability to enjoy the new one. There won't be a Catwoman in the Champs Universe, but there have been enough different Nighthawks in various media that we're not worried about confusing ours with the Marvel one. dw

[Kevin Scrivner]

The illustration of Mutants & Masterminds' Lady Liberty looks uncannily like Wonder Woman circa 1993 in her "off-duty" uniform. Can't kick too much about originality in superheroes after 80 or so years of monthly stories.

Sigh. Statuesque brunettes in form-fitting patriotic-colored spandex. Gets me every time.

[Enforcer84]

Originally posted by Kevin Scrivner
The illustration of Mutants & Masterminds' Lady Liberty looks uncannily like Wonder Woman circa 1993 in her "off-duty" uniform. Can't kick too much about originality in superheroes after 80 or so years of monthly stories.

Sigh. Statuesque brunettes in form-fitting patriotic-colored spandex. Gets me every time.

*Swoon*

[Jeff T.]

Originally posted by Enforcer84
*Swoon*

Settle down, the MnM Lady Liberty is happily married. So hands off!

[Hermit]

Originally posted by Starlord
Settle down, the MnM Lady Liberty is happily married. So hands off!

Yeah, but the one for Champions is single.

[Scott Destroyer]

Hello,

Originally Posted by Darren Watts:
FWIW, there was a Lady Liberty in the Force of July in the old Outsiders series by DC in the early '80s.

Yeah, I remember this one. French-accented lady with a greenish robe-like costume similar to that of the actual Statue of Liberty, complete with a torch that focused her energy powers. The Force went down fighting in an issue of one of my favorite old DC titles, Suicide Squad. Two Force teammates are murdered by less-than-sane Squad members, but the remainder of the Force teams up with the Squad for a strike at the enemy who maneuvered the two groups into conflict, Kobra and his minions. The mission takes them to Kobra's orbiting base, where the Force's laconic Duplicator, Silent Majority, is taken out assaulting Kobra's master-villain über-weapon. In the coolest Duplication scene I've yet seen in the comics, his Duplicates are being shot down by Kobra's agents about as fast as he makes them, yet each one comes into being a step closer to his goal...until, finally, his last one is shot before he can Duplicate again, just as he is climbing up to the weapon's control platform. After this, Lady Liberty is able to get close to Kobra's weapon, and, seeing the battle going badly for her side, decides to cut loose with a full-strength blast into the weapon at point-blank range. It blows up, killing her but foiling Kobra's plot of destruction. This leaves Major Victory, the Force's leader, its last surviving member.

Man, did I dig the Squad. A much better solution to the storage-closet-full-of-ridiculous-weak-villains issue than Marvel was to take later with Scourge. And Amanda Waller has got to be one of the coolest non-powered characters ever to appear in a major-company superhero universe.

[Killer Shrike]

Geez...thats quite a body count...I must admit never having read DC comics aside from an occasional Batman limited series, Im not familiar with the Suicide Squad....what was their deal? Kind of like a Strike Force Morituri or a H.A.R.D. Corps?

[death tribble]

The original idea with the Suicide Squad was to deal with problems that people would say it was Suicide to try and deal with. This was not using the capes at the time.

Later as the above makes clear the Suicide Squad was activated with professional costumed crooks including the likes of Captain Boomerang and Deadshot, both of whom survived their stint in the Squad. A lot of other minor villains did not. Basically service with the Squad meant reduced or forgiven sentences or that they would help with your problem. The latter would have been true for Psi who died on a mission and was true for Nightshade.