I saw they said they were soliciting feedback. However, I'm generally skeptical about statements like that. Criticism has a way of being filtered before it gets to the people that needs to hear it.Originally Posted by Susano
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I saw they said they were soliciting feedback. However, I'm generally skeptical about statements like that. Criticism has a way of being filtered before it gets to the people that needs to hear it.
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5th Ed Grognard
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That was my link a few posts ago (too sign up for playtesting), but that is okay.
You know how you play with a cat by dangling a peice of sting within his grasp, and then pull it away as he grabs for it? If the string isn't exciting and tempting the cat won't grab. But if you pull away early too many times and deny him too often, the cat gives up in frustration. The skill is in finding the sweet spot between those extremes where its fun for you and the cat.
That's what a GM's job is.
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It is suspected that 5E will appear in 18 months or so. In time for GenCon 2013. As for 4E, most people I know aren't all that impressed with it, and many seem to like Pathfinder more, or want to try Pathfinder instead. One friend of mine has really become hooked on Fantasyscraft, which is a fantasy update of the Spycraft system.
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I guess I'm a fluff over crunch kind of guy in a lot of ways. If they were doing an open game WORLD testing, with various GMs giving input on the setting as it formed, I'd probably be all over it like white on rice. I , like many others, enjoy world building.
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Meh. Like The Bunny, I prefer 4E. It does everything that I want D&D to do. Is it perfect? No, but no game is.
I'll take a look at the playtest materials, but unless it knocks my socks off, I'll probably just stick with the edition that I have right now... creating yet another fissure in the D&D community.
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Mod Note: Merged the threads in the General Roleplaying area, since it seems a better fit there than NGD. Carry on.
5th Ed Grognard
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I'm just the opposite - I want mostly crunch in my game books, as I always make my own settings, and rules inform the setting. So I want as much rules wise to make my own setting.
You know how you play with a cat by dangling a peice of sting within his grasp, and then pull it away as he grabs for it? If the string isn't exciting and tempting the cat won't grab. But if you pull away early too many times and deny him too often, the cat gives up in frustration. The skill is in finding the sweet spot between those extremes where its fun for you and the cat.
That's what a GM's job is.
Esper Weapon
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This thread is kinda updating quick....That was my link a few posts ago (too sign up for playtesting), but that is okay.
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I seek inspiration, you seek foundation. It's all good.I'm just the opposite - I want mostly crunch in my game books, as I always make my own settings, and rules inform the setting. So I want as much rules wise to make my own setting.
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Left Hook of Justice, Esq
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Maybe they could do away with a random stat generation, class and level based system using multiple different dice, and shift to a point-build system, using only a single die type, like say a d6 or something.
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So agreed. At this point, I think I'd rather not game than play D&D in any version. If I were forced to use it, there'd have be a lot of houserules of hp, leveling, and such, and the feeling of the game would be drastically changed.
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Last edited by Lord Mhoram; Jan 9th, '12 at 07:24 AM.
You know how you play with a cat by dangling a peice of sting within his grasp, and then pull it away as he grabs for it? If the string isn't exciting and tempting the cat won't grab. But if you pull away early too many times and deny him too often, the cat gives up in frustration. The skill is in finding the sweet spot between those extremes where its fun for you and the cat.
That's what a GM's job is.
5th Ed Grognard
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Agreed - although I am odd in that I find inspiration in mechanics.I seek inspiration, you seek foundation. It's all good.
A new feat or set of spells come out, and I thing "Oh there is an organization based on that idea" and suddenly I have a new element to the world and a number of NPCs. A whole new spell system comes out (say Incarnum or an add on Psionics) and I can build a whole culture around that looks and feel of magic that is different from another. It's why I bought so much Hero stuff - I'd see a power, or a type of build or a new rule, and whole vistas would open up to me.
I read fluff, and reading it feels like reading a dry poorly written history text that I get bored with.
Now a new setting with whole new sets of rules, and a really out there idea - that i can get into - Spelljammer was my favorite published D&D setting of all time.
You know how you play with a cat by dangling a peice of sting within his grasp, and then pull it away as he grabs for it? If the string isn't exciting and tempting the cat won't grab. But if you pull away early too many times and deny him too often, the cat gives up in frustration. The skill is in finding the sweet spot between those extremes where its fun for you and the cat.
That's what a GM's job is.
5th Ed Grognard
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I can understand that, but different games bring different things to the table. I kept going back to D&D 3.x for solo play, when I have 100 pages of a fantasy hero world/rules written. So I had to sit down and figure out what D&D brought that I didn't get from heroes - and it was an odd thing. I liked going through the books, finding feats I liked, and spells I liked - I enjoyed picking abilities from a list (but I felt restrained if that was the only abilities I could have). So to solved that I converted about 200 (or more) feats into FH talents. And I wrote something like 80 pages of spells (and am still adding to the list weekly). It's a lot of work* but it means everything I got from D&D I get from FH now.
* I enjoy building monsters, spells, talents, characters and mechanical stuff as much as I enjoy time at the table playing, so it isn't a chore to do this by any means. It's fun for me.
You know how you play with a cat by dangling a peice of sting within his grasp, and then pull it away as he grabs for it? If the string isn't exciting and tempting the cat won't grab. But if you pull away early too many times and deny him too often, the cat gives up in frustration. The skill is in finding the sweet spot between those extremes where its fun for you and the cat.
That's what a GM's job is.
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Actually, this thread and the developments in it are most interesting for the insight into the RPG business rather than the actual games.
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