How to found a new Catholic Order

[BrilliantHelm]

Perhaps someone should make himself clear and understand the variances in cultural humor.

[BrilliantHelm]

Literalism is not guilt. It is an interpretive method.

[BrilliantHelm]

If the GM wants a war on his hands. I do not think that was the original intent, as he asked for details on a new order, not a new religion.

[mayapuppies]

I am firmly under the impression that Orders are to organized religion as regional dialects are to a language. Eventually they may form their very own religion/language. This can start a war, and organized religion does love its wars, but it doesn't have to.

That being said, Asuna is, first and foremost a god of war and even though the Church has become more political than crusading, it certainly wouldn't be against branding the priest a heretic in order to save the status quo. It also doesn't help that the priest is looking to establish his new order in a duchy controlled by a break away asunite order that would be this worlds version of the Taliban.

[Markdoc]

I am firmly under the impression that Orders are to organized religion as regional dialects are to a language. Eventually they may form their very own religion/language. This can start a war, and organized religion does love its wars, but it doesn't have to.

That being said, Asuna is, first and foremost a god of war and even though the Church has become more political than crusading, it certainly wouldn't be against branding the priest a heretic in order to save the status quo. It also doesn't help that the priest is looking to establish his new order in a duchy controlled by a break away asunite order that would be this worlds version of the Taliban.

Plenty of role-playing fodder there!

With regard to the original question, there are - as far as I know - no actual rules for founding an order. Benedict founded a monastery, and his rule was widely copied, giving rise to the Benedictines. The pope made them a formal order in 1883 - about 1300 years after their founding. St Francis had already attracted a following and had drafted a rule before he went to Rome to seek formalisation of his order - and when he relinquished leadersip of it later and founded the tertiaries, he didn't seek papal approval. Ignatius on the other hand, travelled to Rome and got papal blessing for the Jesuits, before really founding the order: it had only been about a dozen guys up until that point. And orders were suppressed - the Jesuits are a good example - when they were perceived to be out of hand or undesirable.

So it'd be perfectly in keeping with history for a reforming priest of Asuna to draft a rule to "clean up" the local church. If it gained traction he could either try to spread it back to the mother church, establish an order ... or he could end up branded a heretic. A lot of heresies started with good intentions!

Cheers, Mark

[mayapuppies]

This is all great information, thank you all so very much.

[Pattern Ghost]

Perhaps someone should make himself clear and understand the variances in cultural humor.

Perhaps someone should learn to admit when they didn't get the joke, and move on?

[BrilliantHelm]

I am firmly under the impression that Orders are to organized religion as regional dialects are to a language. Eventually they may form their very own religion/language. This can start a war, and organized religion does love its wars, but it doesn't have to.

That being said, Asuna is, first and foremost a god of war and even though the Church has become more political than crusading, it certainly wouldn't be against branding the priest a heretic in order to save the status quo. It also doesn't help that the priest is looking to establish his new order in a duchy controlled by a break away asunite order that would be this worlds version of the Taliban.

No, Orders are just that. They do not found a new religion, they just found a charism, or spirituality within the same religion.

The Taliban are still muslim, and probably closer to the original Islam than most other muslims. Keep in mind, what Muhammad did in the beginning, the Taliban are doing now.

If you want to split the order from the original religion, you can. However, Catholicism does not love wars. The Just War Doctrine is very stringent. You need to study the reason why the wars happened, not just that they happened.

If your family was being murdered, raped and enslaved, I am sure you would not just sit by. At least, I hope you would not...

[BrilliantHelm]

Perhaps someone should learn to admit when they didn't get the joke, and move on?

Perhaps, someone should study Sociology and culture, and then comment instead to trying to blame.

[Lawnmower Boy]

The Taliban are still muslim, and probably closer to the original Islam than most other muslims. Keep in mind, what Muhammad did in the beginning, the Taliban are doing now.

Not according to many distinguished scholars of Islam, or all Sufis. The Taliban, like other offshoots of the original Wahhabi movement, claim to be "Salafists" in the sense of being originalist Muslims. Shiites, of course, reject the idea that even the old-time Salafists were following the Islam of Muhammed.

[Pattern Ghost]

Perhaps, someone should study Sociology and culture, and then comment instead to trying to blame.

Not blaming, just friendly advice. Generally when someone who's been part of a community for a long time explains that another member of the same community was making a joke to a newcomer to the community, the newcomer can safely assume it was in fact a joke. Which you didn't.

Let me put it this way: This is the culture of the board: If you have a misunderstanding with someone, it can generally be cleared up with a few kind words. If you take offense at something a poster did not intend to be offensive, and their intent is made clear to you -- either by themselves, or by someone who knows them through long association on the board -- then you don't continue to snipe at them. When someone's friend explains their meaning to you (a meaning which was pretty clear in the first place, mind you), you don't jump on that person and toss an insult out.

You ever hear of live and let live? Perhaps someone hit a hot button for you in this thread. When that happens, you ask them what they meant by what they said, and if they didn't intend to give offense they will usually apologize. Then you move on. This board is one of the best behaved communities you're going to find on the web.

Just remember, this is a board dedicated to a GAME. Games are supposed to be fun, right? Just relax and have fun.

[Savinien]

Take your worthless net arguments to a new thread. This one is all about me! (Or that player I mean with the Priest not liking the current status quo and wanting to change it.)

[Pattern Ghost]

I think said priest is setting himself up to live in interesting times.

[Clonus]

Hello all,

Do any of you know how a priest would go about founding a new order within the Catholic Church? Or know where I could begin researching such a thing?

There's nothing particularly complicated about it. The founder gathers a following or a group of like-minded peers, decides to become a club with a constitution, and then applies to the Pope for certificition.

[heatmonkey]

From my limited understanding of the Holy Orders is that they tend to start based on what is considered to be a human need, not just a temporal one. Temporal changes are short lived and their teachings tend to die away. The hope of the Order is to root the change or philosophy into the heart of the Church.