bschrempp Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 I just got a copy of Hudson City Blues and was reading it. One of the first things it talks about is Getting "Dark Champions" and Justice, Not Law" as reference books. I have DC and "Hudson City the Urban Abyss", do I need Justice, Not Law also? What is Justice, Not Law? Thanks Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Re: Hudson City Blues I just got a copy of Hudson City Blues and was reading it. One of the first things it talks about is Getting "Dark Champions" and Justice, Not Law" as reference books. I have DC and "Hudson City the Urban Abyss", do I need Justice, Not Law also? What is Justice, Not Law? Thanks Bob Justice, Not Law was a 4th Ed sourcebook. IIRC it was the first appearance of Hudson City as a printed product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba smith Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Re: Hudson City Blues mr long must've chosen hudson a a base for the DARK CHAMPIONS since unlike other cities hudson didn't have any high powered supers just martial artists and action movie types Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Re: Hudson City Blues Hudson City Blues is a 4th edition supplement. Hence the reference to other 4th ed. books. BTW, where did you get HCB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschrempp Posted December 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Hudson City Blues You can buy HCB from Herogames.com https://www.herogames.com/viewItem.htm?itemID=73024 Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Hudson City Blues They are not about HC, but Shadow of the City and An Eye for an Eye are also good 4th DC supps. Found my copy of JNL. It is basically a much much smaller HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eosin Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Hudson City Blues I just got a copy of Hudson City Blues and was reading it. One of the first things it talks about is Getting "Dark Champions" and Justice, Not Law" as reference books. I have DC and "Hudson City the Urban Abyss", do I need Justice, Not Law also? What is Justice, Not Law? Thanks Bob You have the 5th Ed versions in HC: Urban Abyss and DC. Some small changes but not enough to affect HCB. Super fun campaign - deadly, wild, and 100% Batman-esque feel (with guns and grenades of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba smith Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Hudson City Blues yeah the only kind of gun batman uses is a pnumatic derringer to launch his batlines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschrempp Posted December 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Hudson City Blues Just starting to read through HCB. On page 10 there is the "Reserved Villians List": Retro Optik The Machine Ashtray Ant Tenderheart Plain Jane Crusade The Card Shark Organization The Mafia Headless Hangman The Hanged Man Mr. Nobody Flipping through HCB I find cahracter sheets and background for: 1 Retro, 2 Optik, 3 The Machine. In Hudson City, the Urban Abyss, I can find: 8 the Card Shark Gang 9 The Mafia In dark Champions there is information on: 9 the Mafia I can not find references for: 4 Ashtray Ant 5 Tenderheart 6 Plain Jane 7 Crusade 10 Headless Hangman 11 The Hanged Man 12 Mr. Nobody These might be spelled out in the text of HSB but they did not pop out at me. Are these villains in JNL? If so I will buy it as a reference, but I do not want to buy it if I do not have to. Thanks for the help. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Long Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Hudson City Blues Some of those villains are in JNL and were not re-created for any of our 5E Dark Champions supplements (Dark Champions, Hudson City: The Urban Abyss, and Predators). Some are from the 4E enemies book Underworld Enemies, none of whom have ever been re-created for 5E due to my growing-ever-fainter hope of getting Chris Avellone to do that for me. By and large you should be able to run HCB without any need for any of the old Dark Champions books. The three we've published (a) provide a lot more information about HC than JNL ever did, and ( contain more villains you can easily use or adapt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschrempp Posted December 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Hudson City Blues Steve, Good to see you are well enough to be back on a computer. Thanks for the data. I just need to figure out who to substitute for who: 4 Ashtray Ant 5 Tenderheart 6 Plain Jane 7 Crusade 10 Headless Hangman 11 The Hanged Man 12 Mr. Nobody Any suggestions? Thanks Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eosin Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Hudson City Blues Substitute for: Ashtray Ant - Any Pyromanic will do, this guy is sick in the head. Tenderheart - Crossdressing romance novelist who has a flair for the dramatic. Plain Jane - Use any normal but buy them invisibility when not directly interacting with someone. Basically the moment she stops talking to you, she fades out. Crusade - Thing Captain America went nuts and figures the Punisher is too soft on crime. Mr. Nobody - Normal with a real goofy power. Invisibility to Recall? Continuous Mental Transform? The effect is that you can interact with him but the moment you stop talking all memory of the encounter is erased. Headless Hangman The Hanged Man I get these two confused. The important one for the story is the weapons dealer. He sells weapons to the gangs to increase intergang violence. The weapons are rigged and he can detonate them. They jam on a 16- and explode on an 18- ... maybe? This is all from recall. I'd suggest reading Edsels campaign log the covers our whole campaign from start to finish through HCB. Link to the original OMEGA TEAM thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korvar Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Re: Hudson City Blues I don't know enough about 5th ed. Dark Champions to know who to substitute, but I remember most of these guys to give a quick summary, which may help... 4 Ashtray Art Artist Arsonist. Believes fire is alive, and is his lover. Minor pyrokinetic powers. 5 Tenderheart Female swashbucker, apparently trying to win the favour of one of the PCs actually a man who believes he's a romance novel heroine. Remember to have "The Crying Game" theme cued up. 6 Plain Jane A woman so meek and mild she effectively became invisible. Cannot be sensed by almost any means at all. Can either go the mad terrorist route, trying increasingly grand schemes to just get people to notice her, or the Oracle route, where she helps out sympathetic PCs by gathering information. 7 Crusade The Champions Universe version of Azrael Batman. Crazed vigilante, trained by Crusader but now believing criminals must be killed. 11 The Hanged Man Mad genius who has decided to end crime in Hudson City forever - by flooding the underworld with cheap guns and encouraging gang wars so the criminals kill each other off. His weapons tend to be booby trapped and equipped with tracking devices so he knows who's doing what to whom. Wealthy and with a host of contacts, he would make a terrifying enemy. Good excuse for the bad guys to have any gear they would otherwise be unlikely to obtain. 10 Headless Hangman 12 Mr. Nobody No idea who these guys are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschrempp Posted December 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Re: Hudson City Blues Thanks for all the replies. 4 Ashtray Ant 5 Tenderheart 6 Plain Jane 7 Crusade 10 Headless Hangman 11 The Hanged Man 12 Mr. Nobody As I read though the HCB I and finding some descriptions of these NPCs. I have found in the back that I missed Mr. Nobody, he is there on page 87. I was also flipping through Hudson City, the Urban Abyss some more and found the Headless Hangman on page 155 in the vigilantes section. There are so many NPCs listed in HC, has anyone out there compiled an index of them? Thanks again for all your help, I think I now have when I need. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Long Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Re: Hudson City Blues Check out the Hudson City Encyclopedia in the Free Stuff section. It has NPCs, places, events, you name it. There are some other relevant freebies there too, like a Clubs & Restaurants Guide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschrempp Posted December 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Re: Hudson City Blues Ah yes, I had downloaded that and forgot about it. I was looking in the Ultimate Index from the Freebies page. Thanks, Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checkmate Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Re: Hudson City Blues My advice to you is get Underworld Enemies for 4th ed. This is, without a doubt, one of the best gaming books I've ever read, and I've been gaming over 25 years. Every page you will say "Wow that's just cool" at least once. Don't worry about the edition, the descriptions and backgrounds are so great that you'll know how to write the character up without ever looking at the stats. You could probably find it on ebay. I think I picked up Underworld Enemies, HCB, Justice Not Law all for under $10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edsel Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Re: Hudson City Blues The write-up that I did for Plain Jane has the following power: Invisibility to All Sense Groups (Disinterest), No Fringe (+10 points), Area of Effect x16 radius (250")(+2), Costs No END (+1/2), Persistent (+1/2), Always On (+1/2), Not vs. Magic-based Senses (-1/4), Not vs. Robots (-1/4). 315 Active Points, 158 Real Points. A very expensive power but since she is an NPC and not meant to be a combatant that is unimportant. This was a 4th Edition write-up so the updated 5th Ed. version would likely be a bit different. I also assumed that if the character chose to directly talk to you (specifically hold your attention) that she could become visible to you though she still came across as very plain and uninteresting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Long Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Re: Hudson City Blues To echo what some others have said in this thread: you can't go wrong obtaining a copy of Underworld Enemies. I think it's the best Enemies book published for 4E, despite being marred by some editorial madness (with Creatures Of The Night: Horror Enemies and Classic Enemies in a close tie for second ). It's well worth buying regardless of the edition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korvar Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Re: Hudson City Blues I'd add my recommendation as well (it's definitely the supplement I go back to reading again and again), but I can't beat one from Steve Long himself Although I am now curious about editorial madness... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted January 3, 2009 Report Share Posted January 3, 2009 Re: Hudson City Blues Invisibility to All Sense Groups (Disinterest)' date=' No Fringe (+10 points), Area of Effect x16 radius (250")(+2), Costs No END (+1/2), Persistent (+1/2), Always On (+1/2), Not vs. Magic-based Senses (-1/4), Not vs. Robots (-1/4). 315 Active Points, 158 Real Points. How do you figure the AoE on that, it's not like she makes a large hole in the fabric of reality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschrempp Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Hudson City Blues Thanks for all the help. As a means to learn how to use the Hero Designer and to help me when I run HCB, I am walking through the book and creating all the NPCs in Hero Designer. This way I can print them all out and just have the character sheets in front of me when I run it. Bob Schrempp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edsel Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Hudson City Blues How do you figure the AoE on that' date=' it's not like she makes a large hole in the fabric of reality?[/quote'] It has been a while but I think that the effect I was going for is that she could be seen in a crowd, not as an individual but as a person. In other words if you were counting heads in a crowd you would count her but not register her individually. If you were close enough to identify her as an individual then you would not register her at all. Looking back at it now the AE radius was uncalled for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edsel Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Re: Hudson City Blues I just got a copy of Hudson City Blues and was reading it. One of the first things it talks about is Getting "Dark Champions" and Justice, Not Law" as reference books. I have DC and "Hudson City the Urban Abyss", do I need Justice, Not Law also? What is Justice, Not Law? Thanks Bob Here is a Link to the campaign logs, NPCs and other data from my Omega Team Dark Champions Campaign. Killer Shrike hosts this for me. The stories featured in Hudson City Blues are featured prominently. Be warned there are spoilers on this web page. My current campaign the Weekend Warriors may be getting a similar treatment. It too takes place in Hudson City. I have been reviewing and catching up on the Weekend Warriors campaign logs so that I can send a package to Killer Shrike and hopefully resume the WW campaign later this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoutybloke Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Re: Hudson City Blues The AoE on Plain Jane was so you couldn't negate her invisiblity by spraying her with paint or flour or other standard solutions to invisible foes. Sticky might have worked better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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