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#3041 Pattern Ghost

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 08:04 PM

Actually, I think Luke is angry, just controls it. Either way, it does kind of flip the dynamic between him and Danny awkwardly.


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 08:09 PM

Well, Marvel Netflix weren't going to match those characters before the Defenders team-up. If they wanted an angry hothead to play against, they already have Jessica Jones.


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 08:10 PM

Yeah, for Luke specifically, it seems as though his powers were tangentially linked to his anger level.  Then again that does seem like it would just make him a miniHulk. 

 

IMO Iron Fist should have been a lot like the old Kung Fu series--a young man with a really weird upbringing trying to apply his academic wisdom and idealism to real life.  If you think about it, he'd be a West Coast hippie who happens to know kung fu, in a decidedly hippie-unfriendly environment.


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 08:14 PM

I still haven't seen it, but that sounds like a better idea for handling him than what I've heard of the series.


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 10:21 PM

Why couldn't Iron Fist (still haven't seen) be more like a Bruce Lee film (eg The Big Boss) but as a serial. I also like Old Man's idea above of a West Coast hippie.
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Posted 22 August 2017 - 09:47 AM

Daredevil even stole Iron Fist's mask style for most of DD's first season.  And they seem determined to avoid anything remotely wild or supernatural, so they couldn't do any wild martial arts stuff like balancing on a leaf or running on the walls.  In the end, Iron Fist gets nothing but a glowy hand.


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Posted 22 August 2017 - 12:20 PM

You know, that's a really good point. Netflix Daredevil is about as highly-trained as you can get, but even he's depicted as more of a brawler than the graceful acrobatic fighter we know from comics. This corner of the MCU may have painted itself into a corner as far as the level of superhero martial arts they can depict. Really, the only MCU non-powered fighter whose style reflects their comics source is Black Widow.


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Posted 22 August 2017 - 12:34 PM

Well, their budget isn't astronomical - it's probably easier to train people to look like they're doing a decent job in a fight than to wire-fu or CGI them into doing things that are only really possible for 'normal' humans in comic book: Brawler who does Parkour will have to do.

 

I don't mind the minimalist approach to their super hero shows as long as the writing and acting is ok - to me it just keeps them closer to 'street level'.

 

(It's why I appreciated Purple Man as Jessica Jones' adversary - not only is it a classical mental villain vs physical hero but it's CHEAP.  No fancy special effects on the mind controls and with mostly normal humans for the fight scenes Jessica didn't need to display super strength at comic levels - less lifting cars over your head and throwing them, more seeing tires squeal as the car fails to move.)


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Posted 22 August 2017 - 01:09 PM

I do respect the budget idea and the need to keep things as low cost as possible but... they're hurting themselves in terms of options and characterization.  Plus, it feels less like a comic book world than a bad part of a city with some of those costume wearing vigilantes.  Two meh martial artists and two strong people doesn't exactly stand out in terms of an interesting cast.


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Posted 22 August 2017 - 07:10 PM

 

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 08:23 PM

These are the Defenders:

 

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 11:40 AM

I've got one episode of Defenders left. I like it so far, but it has really pointed out how much more interesting a character Matt Murdoch is versus Danny Rand.

By far, the most compelling characters in Iron Fist were Ward and Dad Meachum. It's too bad they couldn't reappear here.

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 12:15 PM

Ward did have a good character arc in season 1 of Iron Fist. Without that, the season would have been much less worth watching.


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 05:17 PM

When you hear there's going to be a series about The Immortal Iron Fist, you don't expect to get The Ward Meachum Story. Marvel simply told the wrong story. Period. The fact that it had a very good actor playing (what should have been) a relatively minor secondary role does not change that one bit.


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 08:06 PM

As far as the overall story, I enjoyed it. I still think the best character, in terms of classical character growth cycle, was Ward. He was a much more interesting character than Danny, which is part of the problem. Danny should have been the spotlight character....

 

When you hear there's going to be a series about The Immortal Iron Fist, you don't expect to get The Ward Meachum Story. Marvel simply told the wrong story. Period. The fact that it had a very good actor playing (what should have been) a relatively minor secondary role does not change that one bit.

 

I think we are in agreement there. :)



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Posted 23 August 2017 - 08:51 PM

Funny thing about the series, Danny always came across as believing his martial prowess was what it is in the comic. Just the choreography didn't live up to it, and i will always wonder about that. Was it due to the Choreogropher, time or money that it came across that way.


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 07:10 AM

I think It's the choreography combined with the fact that the actor himself has said that he fairly frequently didn't feel he was given enough time / takes to get it down. 

 

It's probably why he's a 'better' fighter in the Defenders - practice and a much higher demand on the choreography all around.

 

Problem with that is since it's the same choreography team and the actors are not martial artists outside of the show that he and Daredevil's fighting styles look the same and are performed at about the same level of competence - so there's not much to separate them besides brawler with a glowing fist and brawler with super hearing.  

 

I did like that Jessica basically sucked in every fight - contributing mostly with strategic sucker punches or making people who grabbed her have a very bad day (both very much in show-character)  - she's an actual untrained brawler with not much more than normal human durability in the show - so the 'Am I the only one left in the city who doesn't know Karate?' line held true.  Maybe Matt or Danny will give her a few pointers before Jessica Jones season 2 / Defenders season 2.


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Posted 07 September 2017 - 11:28 AM

How did Marvel let Inhumans be released into IMAX theaters looking like this?

 

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Posted 07 September 2017 - 03:51 PM

They should have him show up in the movies as the current Fury's dad.


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