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OK, I'm pretty sure this is the weirdest thing I've ever asked for y'all's help with. :)

 

I'm writing a convention game called Post-Apocalyptic Disney Princesses. The basic idea is that a magical apocalypse has jumbled together all the Fairy Tale Kingdoms, and now the Fairests Of The Land have banded together to save the day. I've got the plot 99% worked out, and I think it's going to be fun.

 

My challenge is building the PC Princesses so that they don't all seem...interchangeable. I don't mind that most of them have zero combat skills or powers, but some of them, frankly, don't seem to have a lot of noncombat skills either. And I haven't even bothered to stat out Snow White, Cinderella or Aurora (aka Sleeping Beauty): near as I can figure, all three of them would have nothing except for high Presence, Striking Appearance, Perfect  Pitch, and maybe Animal Friendship. Besides 10 PCs is more than enough to choose from!

 

Below are my totally subjective first draft stats. Obviously I'm giving some heroic benefit of the doubt here, because otherwise let's face it they'd have a lot of 8s and that's boring! Anyway, please let me know what you think, and who you'd rate higher or lower, etc. At this point, I'm less worried about "how do I build Rapunzel's Hair-Fu powers" than I am getting the basic stats down.

 

Ground rules: I've only included teh "official" princesses, plus Anna & Elsa who are expected to eb inducted any day now. I'm trying to capture their stats at the end of the movie. I'm not counting anything from the sequels because I haven't seen any of them. (Honestly, there are a couple principle movies I still haven't seen.) Because of the magical apocalypse, I figure I can justify giving Ariel the ability to alternate between human and mermaid form, and give Rapunzel her magic hair back. Conversely, I'll be imposing Side Effects & other Limitations on Elsa's Ice Powers, because otherwise she's got like a 100-pt VPP! And oh yeah, I'm leaving out all the silly animal sidekicks because it's not that kind of game. I might let Jasmine keep her pet tiger tho.

 

  Ariel Belle Jasmine Pocahontas Mulan Tiana Rapunzel Merida Anna Elsa Film Little Mermaid Beauty & the Beast Alladin Pocahontas Mulan Princess & the Frog Tangled Brave Frozen Frozen Age 16 17 15 18 16 19 18 16 18 21 STR 8 10 8 12 13 11 11 13 10 9 DEX 13 13 12 15 15 13 13 15 13 13 CON 12 13 12 14 15 13 12 15 13 13 INT 10 18 15 13 15 15 13 12 13 12 EGO 15 15 15 15 18 15 13 18 18 18 PRE 18 18 18 18 15 15 18 13 15 18 OCV 3 3 4 4 5 3 4 5 3 4 DCV 3 3 4 4 5 4 4 4 3 3 OMCV 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 DMCV 4 4 4 4 5 4 3 5 5 5 SPD 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 PD 3 3 3 4 5 3 3 4 3 3 ED 3 3 3 4 4 3 3 4 3 5 REC 4 4 4 8 6 5 5 6 5 5 END 25 25 30 35 35 30 30 35 30 25 BOD 10 10 10 11 12 11 10 11 10 10 STUN 20 22 24 30 32 26 24 30 28 26 Move Run 10m Run 14m Run 12m Run 16m Run 14m Run 14m Run 12m Run 14m Run 14m Run 14m   Swim 4m Swim 4m Swim 4m Swim 8m Swim 4m Swim 4m Swim 4m Swim 4m Swim 4m Swim 4m   Leap 2m Leap 4m Leap 4m Leap 8m Leap 4m Leap 4m Leap 4m Leap 4m Leap 4m Leap 4m PER 11- 13- 12- 12- 12- 12- 12- 11- 12- 11- Looks +2 +2 +2 +2 +2 +2 +2 +2 +2 +2 Abilities Multiform: mermaid Well-read Pet tiger? Shamanistic powers Sword & Spear PS: Chef Hair-Fu Powers Archery   Ice Powers   Perfect Pitch Persuation, etc? Bureaucratics Universal Translator Basic Martial Arts PS: Restaurateur Healing hair Sword & Spear   PS: Queen     Riding PS: Governing Talks to Spirits Tactics Multiform: frog? WF: Frying Pan Riding   Oratory, etc     Deduction? Oratory, etc Prophetic dreams Disguise Survival well read PS: Sewing             Climbing                                   Comps Impulsive Outspoken?   Short temper? Bad at being girly   Keeps her promises Stubborn, selfish Socially awkward Limited control                   A tad gullible Socially reserved

 

And because I know someone is going to point it out: Yes, I'm aware that Disney now owns the Star Wars franchise, which means Princess Leia is technically a Disney Princess. But no, I'm not including her. ;)

 

Anyway, I'd appreciate any input you might have. Thanks!

 

Edit: ok crap, obviously it didn't like my table formatting...stand by while I try to fix it...

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OK, maybe this will display better...?

 

 

                 Ariel             Belle        Jasmine    Pocahontas    Mulan       Tiana        Rapunzel       Merida        Anna           Elsa

Age              16               17             15               18               16               19               18               16               18               21

STR               8               10               8               12               13               11                11               13               10                9

DEX             13               13             12               15               15               13               13               15               13               13

CON             12               13             12               14               15               13               12               15               13               13

INT               10               18             15               13               15               15               13               12               13               12

EGO             15               15             15               15               18               15               13               18               18               18

PRE              18               18             18               18               15               15               18               13               15               18

OCV               3                 3               4                 4                 5                 3                 4                 5                 3                 4

DCV               3                 3               4                4                  5                 4                 4                 4                 3                 3

OMCV            3                 3               3                3                  3                 3                 3                 3                 3                 3

DMCV            4                 4               4                4                  5                 4                 3                 5                 5                 5

SPD               3                 3               3                3                  3                 3                 3                 3                 3                 3

PD                 3                 3               3                4                  5                 3                 3                 4                 3                 3

ED                 3                 3               3                4                  4                 3                 3                 4                 3                 5

REC               4                4                4                8                 6                 5                 5                 6                 5                 5

END              25              25              30              35               35               30               30               35               30               25

BOD              10              10              10              11               12               11               10               11               10               10

STUN             20              22              24              30              32               26               24               30               28               26

Run               10m           14m           12m           16m           14m            14m            12m            14m            14m            14m

Swim              4m             4m             4m             8m             4m              4m              4m              4m              4m              4m

Leap               2m             4m             4m             8m             4m              4m              4m              4m              4m              4m

PER               11-              13-             12-             12-             12-             12-              12-              11-              12-              11-

Looks             +2               +2               +2              +2              +2              +2              +2               +2               +2               +2

 

 

Abilities

Ariel:         Multiform: mermaid, Perfect Pitch

Belle:       Well-read, Persuation, etc?, Riding, Deduction?

Jasmine:   Pet tiger?, Bureaucratics, PS: Governing, Oratory, etc

Pocahontas:    Shamanistic powers, Universal Translator, Talks to Spirits, Prophetic dreams, Climbing

Mulan:       Sword & Spear, Basic Martial Arts, Tactics, Disguise

Tiana:        PS: Chef, PS: Restaurateur, Multiform: frog?, Survival

Rapunzel:       Hair-Fu Powers, Healing hair, WF: Frying Pan, Well read

Merida:       Archery,   Sword & Spear, Riding, PS: Sewing

Anna:           ??

Elsa: Ice Powers, PS: Queen, Oratory, etc

 

Complications

Ariel:         Impulsive

Belle:       Outspoken?

Jasmine:  ??

Pocahontas:   Short temper?

Mulan:       Bad at being girly

Tiana:       ??

Rapunzel:       Keeps her promises

Merida:      Stubborn, selfish

Anna:           Socially awkward, a tad gullible

Elsa: Limited control of powers, Socially reserved

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One last note: the game is going to be set roughly one year post-apocalypse, so everyone will have had the chance to pick up some combat & survival skills. But right now I'm trying to get a pre-apocalypse baseline. Thanks again!

 

And yes there are plenty of Disney Princess wikis and so forth out there, but they're 99% about hair color, dress color, yadda yadda. Not much RPG value I've found so far...

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All of them have lots of singing ability...

Agreed. Tho surprisingly, the only ones whose singing ability is commented on In Story are Ariel & Aurora. Everyone else just happens to live in a musical.

 

All of them seem to have the ability to charm or at least work well with animals who serve them.  And they all seem to have generous helpings of luck and unluck both.

Good points. Tho not exactly helping me distinguish them as individuals... :)

 

Might be a Mulan entry on surbrook's old stuff if that might hrlp.

Yep! I missed it at first, because for some reason I didn't think to look under Western Animation. :stupid: He gives her much higher DEX & CV, and a SPD of 4, but no sword or staff proficiency, which I'm not sure I agree with...have to think about that.

 

Also I'm debating whether or not Ariel should have more classic Atlantean strength & toughness? Another site pointed out she rolls a sizable boulder out of the way, climbs the side of the Prince's ship using just her arms (!) and nearly holds her own wrestling a 300-pound octopus-witch-creature. Not how much of that should be just in her mermaid form or not, tho it would be amusing to have this teeny petite thing be stronger than she looks. I also thought about giving her dad's magic trident?

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I would probably give Ariel better swimming.

In her mermaid-form she has something like 20m, x4 Noncombat. I figured she's probably not used to swimming without her tail.

 

Are you planning to make any effort to balance these characters against each other?

As far as possible, tho they won't necessarily be balanced in combat skills. (Belle vs. Mulan? Yeah, no.) Once I throw in some post-apocalypse XP, they'll each have a chance to pick up some basic combat abilities.

 

Jasmine should have seduction. Remeber when kisses the vizer? Also she is defiante.

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Are you planning to make any effort to balance these characters against each other?

Elsa is a Champions character and Merida can bullseye head-sized targets from horseback. After that you have to start getting creative. Ariel could have some Aquaman-like powers, Jasmine could have access to magic items, Rapunzel might have learned a charm or two from her "mother". I don't know what to do with Belle or Anna, they could have a snowball fight I guess.

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Belle read a lot, so she could have a large amount of knowledge skills and maybe science skills.

 

Anna had quite a bit of pluck for a Disney princess, so she might be able to keep up with the more obviously physical ones. The Disney Infinity version of her has a grappling hook.

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Belle reads a lot, so she could have a bunch of knowledge skills and library type abilties such as research and cramming.  Keep in mind that all these girls are quite young.  They are young teens, so they won't have developed a large base of skills and abilities, and if you gave them too much it will be a bit implausible (like Merida's unreasonably great ability with a bow and riding, given that they never let her out to... ride and shoot).

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This is a good point, its not their skill so much as just how the whole world is; everyone that lives there can sing.

So some things, like a basic PS: Singing, would be an "Everyprincess" Skill with a PRE Roll for no points. Those whose voices or musical talent were remarked upon in the story could have Striking Appearance: Voice and/or Perfect Pitch.

 

Lucius Alexander

 

The palindromedary buys Thuuvan throat singing

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Might want to give Rapunzel swinging or superleap to go with the hair

Absolutely. Plus WF: Frying Pan.

 

Elsa is a Champions character and Merida can bullseye head-sized targets from horseback. After that you have to start getting creative. Ariel could have some Aquaman-like powers, Jasmine could have access to magic items, Rapunzel might have learned a charm or two from her "mother". I don't know what to do with Belle or Anna, they could have a snowball fight I guess.

The nature of the magical apocalypse will tone down Elsa's Ice VPP to mere-heroic levels, so I'm okay there. Merida will have plenty of archery, but probably not quite to the level displayed in the film. Ariel doesn't seem to have any obvious powers in her human form, but if I'm allowing her to switch back & forth, that gives me license to blur the lines a bit, right? I also thought about maybe giving her Dad's Trident? Hadn't thought about Jasmine having some magic items: good idea!

 

Keep in mind that all these girls are quite young.  They are young teens, so they won't have developed a large base of skills and abilities, and if you gave them too much it will be a bit implausible

True, tho the game takes place a couple years after their movies, so they will have had a chance to grow up a bit. (Trivia: Elsa at 21 is the only non-teen Disney Princess.)

 

(like Merida's unreasonably great ability with a bow and riding, given that they never let her out to... ride and shoot).

If you think that's a stretch, explain to me how Rapunzel learned to swim while locked in that tower her whole life?

 

So some things, like a basic PS: Singing, would be an "Everyprincess" Skill with a PRE Roll for no points. Those whose voices or musical talent were remarked upon in the story could have Striking Appearance: Voice and/or Perfect Pitch.

Exactly. I also gave Ariel "Fascination" based on the fact that her voice is supposed to be something everyone stops to listen to.

 

Belle is arguably the smartest of the Disney princesses, even if that is only because she is shown to read in the movie, but considering her father she might have some minor gadgetteering abilities or at the very least be really good at fixing preexisting devices.

I had considered that, but haven't decided if it fits with the rest of the game or not...

 

Maybe one or two levels of Combat Luck would be good for every princess, if you haven't already included it. They might also have some defensive PRE versus fear effects.

Definitely!

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If you think that's a stretch, explain to me how Rapunzel learned to swim while locked in that tower her whole life?

Humans are able to hold their breath underwater and undertake rudimentary locomotive swimming within weeks of birth1

 

 

 

 

Lucius Alexander

 

 

 

The palindromedary has four feet and one footnote: 1McGraw, Myrtle B (1939). "Swimming behavior of the human infant". The Journal of Pediatrics 15: 485–490

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