phoenix240 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 A classic trick in comics and related media is to rigging projectiles usually arrows or thrown weapons and objects to release some harmful (often area of effect or touch based like contact poison or electric shocks for more) effects when caught or intercepted as way to deal with Missile Deflecting Martial artists, speedsters and other nimble types. How could you build these gadgets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJoe3 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I don't think that a separate power or Advantage is needed under 6e. As written, deflection is simply a Block of a ranged attack. The trap could be the FX of a failed Block attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 In the Avengers movie Loki catches an arrow Hawkeye fired at himlittle did Loki know it had either a remote backup trigger or a range safety selfdestructin either case Loki did not have Missile deflect vs area attacks or ranged defection to predetonate the explosive arrowthe delayed effect was just poetic justice for being smug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 In the Avengers movie Loki catches an arrow Hawkeye fired at him little did Loki know it had either a remote backup trigger or a range safety selfdestruct in either case Loki did not have Missile deflect vs area attacks or ranged defection to predetonate the explosive arrow the delayed effect was just poetic justice for being smug At it's simplest, that was loki NOT making the Block roll against Hawk's insane OCV. Alternatively that was Loki having his Missile Deflection up (rememeber, you have to use it pre-emtively) and Hawkeye just hitting him with a AoE arrow. Note that the arrow itself did not damage loki (much). The aim was to destroy/knock him of his ride. So that Hulk could smash that puny god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 In the Avengers movie Loki catches an arrow Hawkeye fired at him little did Loki know it had either a remote backup trigger or a range safety selfdestruct in either case Loki did not have Missile deflect vs area attacks or ranged defection to predetonate the explosive arrow the delayed effect was just poetic justice for being smug The trigger was on Hawkeye's bow. They showed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 The trigger was on Hawkeye's bow. They showed that. I don't see it anywhere: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted March 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I am Pre 6th Edition using Missile Deflection. Should have said that before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 I don't see it anywhere: The trigger is seen earlier, in the assault on the Helicarrier. Hawkeye uses it to take out one of the engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 The trigger is seen earlier, in the assault on the Helicarrier. Hawkeye uses it to take out one of the engines. You are right. But that is propably just the special effect of using a Explosive AoE arrow. Or maybe this was actually a mine arrow all along? Bows are inherently much more stealthy then guns. So they could be used to place a mine, to be used later (classical trigger case). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 In the case of the Helicarrier assault, Hawk's arrow went off a matter of minutes after the loosed it -- sounds clearly like a Trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix240 Posted April 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 I was thinking that some form of Trigger might make a good build for most sfx for this ability. as a side notion: I've thought that it might back a good addition to the Trigger advantage to include a modifier the eliminate the normal Attack roll for such attacks. For things like land mines and contact poisons. Things that will built as Attacks can't actually miss and/or don't depend on the users OCV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 I was thinking that some form of Trigger might make a good build for most sfx for this ability. as a side notion: I've thought that it might back a good addition to the Trigger advantage to include a modifier the eliminate the normal Attack roll for such attacks. For things like land mines and contact poisons. Things that will built as Attacks can't actually miss and/or don't depend on the users OCV. There is no "can't be defended against" advantage. AoE let's you attack against DCV 3 or 0 Mental attack go against EgoDCV. In any case the attack still uses the OCV of the original user. It needs to be balanced somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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