DasBroot Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 My approach to this problem is to say "Describe your character to me in narrative, non-mechanical terms" and then build it for them. More work for me of course, but I actually like building Hero character, so it's all good. I'd have a mutiny. My gaming group is pile of programmers and mathematicians (and me, who has a 50% grade 10 math score under his belt from more than 20 years ago) - crunching the numbers and the mechanical complexity that Hero character building CAN bring is what they like best about the system. Since it's what they like I encourage it and even occasionally hold character building 'challenges' ("In this super hero game I'm using Sum 0 - all advantages and disadvantages on a power or power pool must sum to 0"). It's only when someone decides to mechanically 'solve' the game that things turn sour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Time is the answer. That and the seldom used GM Veto disguised off coarse. IMOHO QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 I'd have a mutiny. My gaming group is pile of programmers and mathematicians (and me, who has a 50% grade 10 math score under his belt from more than 20 years ago) - crunching the numbers and the mechanical complexity that Hero character building CAN bring is what they like best about the system. Spence's post (that I was responding to) was about introducing new players. Sorry if I didn't make that clear in my reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 I'm the one that missed the 'new' in his post. I'd still have a mutiny but less of one - a few people at the table *do* pass their sheets to the 'professionals' after a first pass and have the pros optimise it - often giving them an extra 50 to 100 character points to play with. Which is sort of related to my earlier anecdote - set the limits all you want and you'll still have a werewolf with a few heightened senses and some claws standing beside a Dragonball Z fighter able to destroy a building with a single gesture with a near invulnerable personal Barrier and mach flight and... It's actually why Sum 0 works for us especially for short term games. The professional builder's character is 'better', certainly, but at least he's not a virtual 800 point (or a thousand) point character (they always choose magic or power armor as a concept. Lots of points to be gained with focus and such.) to someone else's 400. A good GM keeps a handle on this, of course, but it can be tiring to all involved - both to say AND hear 'no, please don't do that' (especially if it's a good idea) so many GM, especially new ones, just... give up. One guy in our group is the biggest comic book fan I know and he'd love to run a game... but every single time he does someone does something that he just can't conceptually deal with (and he's the kind of guy who has a hard time saying 'no') so he's learned to not even try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Reminds me once again I need to thank my players for being more interested in creating good characters & telling a story than in showing off their munchkin-fu. My closest-thing-to-a-problem is I have one player who likes to take Complications that are extremely unlikely to come up in play. And even there I don't think he's doing it to be munchkiney, he just has a hard time coming up with valid Comps, so he leaves it to me to figure out a way to work them in. But I can't remember the last time I had to veto a power/build. Clearly I am blessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opale Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 And this is the thanks Captain America gets for his efforts during WWII. lol ^^ Curiously, Captain America was always one of my favorite superheroes... But as the song says : "I'm just a girl..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 lol ^^ Curiously, Captain America was always one of my favorite superheroes... But as the song says : "I'm just a girl..." Mine, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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