Ragitsu Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/trump-blows-up-republican-plan-to-blame-democrats-for-blocking-chip More evil s**t from the "pro-life" (actually "anti-choice") party. Remind me again why critical laws/bills are able to be bundled together? Iuz the Evil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/17/rex-tillerson-syria-military-presence-344315 Do you ever wonder if one of your tax dollars goes towards the bullet that ends up killing an innocent civilian in a faraway land that you'll never meet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Ragitsu said: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/17/rex-tillerson-syria-military-presence-344315 Do you ever wonder if one of your tax dollars goes towards the bullet that ends up killing an innocent civilian in a faraway land that you'll never meet? Stability in that part of the world is a longterm goal, American can not afford to ignore. The biggest danger is someone like Trump saying "Slash that" and the whole thing going downhill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 10 hours ago, Ragitsu said: Do you ever wonder if one of your tax dollars goes towards the bullet that ends up killing an innocent civilian in a faraway land that you'll never meet? No, there's no doubt whatsoever that my tax dollars go to slaughter innocent civilians in foreign countries. I try to vote accordingly. Netzilla, Iuz the Evil and Ragitsu 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeropoint Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 9 hours ago, Christopher said: Stability in that part of the world is a longterm goal, American can not afford to ignore. Perhaps occupying their territory and killing their citizens is not the best way to accomplish this? Old Man, Lawnmower Boy, Ragitsu and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 35 minutes ago, Zeropoint said: Perhaps occupying their territory and killing their citizens is not the best way to accomplish this? It is, if the alternative is worse. Politics like Medicine is about finding "the kind of interference that will solve the issue, without creating too many follwup issues". I mean the approach of just giving people weapons/money backfired regulary in the past. Saddam and Bin Laden are just two more obvious examples. So much it became a meme that "America is arming their future enemies today". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Yes, it always makes me think of the French helping out a certain British colony in 1778, only to have the Quasi War with that same colony 20 years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Same colony, different French. Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Meanwhile, the Republican Party, which controls all three branches of the U.S. federal government, has shut that government down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 But they're blaming the Democrats. As far as I can see, both parties are using this situation to try to score beneficial political points ahead of the next Congressional elections. In other words, they believe the purpose of public office is to take and hold power, not to govern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 And don't forget, the House and Senate representatives still get paid during a government shutdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Old Man said: Meanwhile, the Republican Party, which controls all three branches of the U.S. federal government, has shut that government down. 3 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: But they're blaming the Democrats. As far as I can see, both parties are using this situation to try to score beneficial political points ahead of the next Congressional elections. In other words, they believe the purpose of public office is to take and hold power, not to govern. To be fair, if the Republicans had Filibuster-proof majorities, the Shutdown would not have happened. The democrats have a certain amount of blame here. To be even more fair, the Republicans and Democrats did govern and did find a compromise that would avoid shutdown. This is all Donald Trump's fault. As it was, as it ever will be. To yet even more fair, Donal Trump doesn't really run his administration. He is slothful and ignorant, as capricious as he is easy to manipulate. This is the fault of his staff. Yes, he picked his staff, but again, he is easily manipulated, and those picks were largely establishment picks. To be the most fair, there was ample evidence that Donald Trump was slothful and ignorant leading up to the election. The American people (from the states that mattered) put him in office anyway. This is all our fault. I have the infinity stone of blame. Starlord and Lawnmower Boy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, Sociotard said: To be fair, if the Republicans had Filibuster-proof majorities, the Shutdown would not have happened. The democrats have a certain amount of blame here. This is inaccurate. The CR only requires fifty Senate votes. It cannot be filibustered. The GOP is unable to put fifty votes together. Indeed, I believe four Democrats did vote to pass. Quote To be even more fair, the Republicans and Democrats did govern and did find a compromise that would avoid shutdown. This is all Donald Trump's fault. As it was, as it ever will be. Trump certianly isn't helping. A shut down benefits no one... except the Tea Party. And Vladimir Putin. Hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Ah, I didn't know it was filibuster-proof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Maybe it's time to pull out that old never used rule where 2/3rd the state legislatures can create an new Amendment... my suggestion would be as long as a shut down goes on, Congressmen don't get paid either, nor may they take money from donors or special interests during that time. Betcha we'd see some negotiations then Ternaugh and Ragitsu 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: But they're blaming the Democrats. As far as I can see, both parties are using this situation to try to score beneficial political points ahead of the next Congressional elections. In other words, they believe the purpose of public office is to take and hold power, not to govern. I can not blame the Democrats to use that little bit of Power they have to get the Dreamer thing sorted out. They want something solved that the Republicans could hae solved anytime in the last year. csyphrett, Cygnia and Netzilla 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 A shutdown didn't have to happen, but the Republicans don't want to make deals. It doesn't matter what they say, they're running things. They wanted to run their tax plan more than they wanted to fund the rest of the government. If they hadn't done that, they could have rammed a budget through first with reconciliation and then had to deal with their tax plan being delayed especially since the tax plan was so bad even people who benefited said what are you doing? The only people who benefited were people who didn't need tax cuts but said they would quit donating if they didn't get them. Trump's revolving mind and tiny twitter fingers aren't helping. The belief is Miller and Kelly are fighting against immigration reform which means they are counseling him to be a dumbass and he's like sure, I can do that. The question is how many more people in the White House, or connected to Trump going to be indicted. His campaign manager, Manafort, and Manafort's partner are gearing up to fight charges of money laundering, Flynn signed a deal in the summer, and Bannon, McGahn, and Pubus all share the same lawyer and have been asked to explain things. If Melania exercises her prenup over the payoff to the porn star Trump did, we might even see a divorce happen before Trump leaves office. Christopher and Ragitsu 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 https://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/trump-says-privately-that-a-terror-attack-could-save-him-and-gop-from-2018-election-bloodbath-report/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/new-alarm-among-republicans-that-democrats-could-win-big-this-year/2018/01/13/9be31acc-f8a8-11e7-beb6-c8d48830c54d_story.html Quote Faced with the likelihood of a “blue tsunami” in the 2018 midterm elections, President Donald Trump is holding out hope that terrorists will attack the country, reported the Washington Post on Wednesday. “In private conversations,” said the Post, “Trump has told advisers that he doesn’t think the 2018 election has to be as bad as others are predicting. He has referenced the 2002 midterms, when George W. Bush and Republicans fared better after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, these people said.” Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Mere confirmation of what we have known all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 11 hours ago, Starlord said: And don't forget, the House and Senate representatives still get paid during a government shutdown. Sen. Claire McCaskill has introduced a bill to solve this problem. I expect it to get nowhere in a GOP-dominated Senate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 6 hours ago, csyphrett said: If Melania exercises her prenup over the payoff to the porn star Trump did, we might even see a divorce happen before Trump leaves office. Remember those times when the worst thing a President did was sleep with a Intern and then deny it? 5 hours ago, Ragitsu said: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/trump-says-privately-that-a-terror-attack-could-save-him-and-gop-from-2018-election-bloodbath-report/ 4 hours ago, Old Man said: Mere confirmation of what we have known all along. Know? We have the Master Plan of the Terrorists. In writing. People like Trump and the white Supremacists are the biggest allies of groups like ISIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, Old Man said: Sen. Claire McCaskill has introduced a bill to solve this problem. I expect it to get nowhere in a GOP-dominated Senate. Thanks to the 27th amendment, it can't take effect until next congress even if it DID pass. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary explains that this amendment forbids congress from changing their own pay - for better OR worse - they can only change the pay of future congresses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 24 minutes ago, Lucius said: Thanks to the 27th amendment, it can't take effect until next congress even if it DID pass. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary explains that this amendment forbids congress from changing their own pay - for better OR worse - they can only change the pay of future congresses. Just because it does not solve all problems now, is not a reason do finally get it done. What is it with Americans and "perfect solution or not worth doing"? Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Christopher said: Just because it does not solve all problems now, is not a reason do finally get it done. What is it with Americans and "perfect solution or not worth doing"? I agree it's worth doing. I' admit to being dubious about whether it will get done, given who it is who has to do it. Lucius Alexander I can always count on a palindromedary, though, to give me tagline. Well, almost always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 Tammy Duckworth is not pulling her punches. Quote "Does he even know that there are service members who are in harm’s way right now, watching him, looking for their commander in chief to show leadership, rather than [trying] to deflect blame?” Duckworth said. “Or that his own Pentagon says that the short-term funding plans he seems intent on pushing is actually harmful to not just the military, but to our national security?” “I spent my entire adult life looking out for the well-being, the training, the equipping of the troops for whom I was responsible,” she continued. “Sadly, this is something that the current occupant of the Oval Office does not seem to care to do — and I will not be lectured about what our military needs by a five-deferment draft dodger.” “And I have a message for cadet bone spurs: If you cared about our military, you'd stop baiting Kim Jong Un into a war that could put 85,000 American troops, and millions of innocent civilians, in danger." "Cadet bone spurs". Doc Shadow, Iuz the Evil, Cygnia and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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