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#41 megaplayboy

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 10:01 PM

"Social intelligence" is simply a result of having a general intelligence interacting with other general intelligences.

A general intelligence learning how to work a TV remote.

A general intelligence learning how to work the psychology of another general intelligence.

Potato, Potato.

 

The only thing special about humanity is that eventually developed specialised wetware for this opeartion. To run it more energy effective. That process is similar to what got us GPU's, NPU's and all the other specilised prcessing units.

Our wetware is also insanely energy efficient by comparison to silicon-based simulacra.  


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Posted 15 October 2017 - 06:28 AM

Our wetware is also insanely energy efficient by comparison to silicon-based simulacra. 

Evolution does not favor wasting energy on anything. Even with that extreme efficiency, the brain still eats about 20% of our energy intake. We could not have such a big brain, if it was not that efficient.

 

In school I still learned that the "Appendix is propably Vestigal". Except data inticates it is usefull for a rather specific case of curcimstances (loosing most of the gut flora to diseases). Wich apparently are common enough, that it was not a waste of energy until now:

https://en.wikipedia...tomy)#Functions

 

But if I leanerd one thing, it is that efficiency never comes without a cost. In this I doubt the Brain is designed to just run any odd general intelligence. It is designed to run one specific subset of general intelligences: Human like minds.

Basically humanity might be slightly less then a full general intelligence.



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Posted 17 October 2017 - 05:50 AM

Another post. This time he talks about how even a human Level AGI could act much smarter then any human, by having better I/O speed.

Much less just running on more and faster hardware.

That later part should stay possible, as long as the process is paraleliseable. Wich all current AGI reserach is aiming for. Since apparently the human brain is inherently paraleliseable:



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Posted 17 October 2017 - 07:53 AM

if evolution doesn’t waste anything then why does limbless lizards still have vestigial limbs and blind fish have eyes? Actually how can a supposed random occurance favor anything?
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Posted 17 October 2017 - 08:09 AM

if evolution doesn’t waste anything then why does limbless lizards still have vestigial limbs and blind fish have eyes? Actually how can a supposed random occurance favor anything?


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 11:15 AM

if evolution doesn’t waste anything then why does limbless lizards still have vestigial limbs and blind fish have eyes?

Those vestigal limbs might be nessesary for the development of other parts of the anatomy.

Or like our long hold view of the Appendix, they actually do have a use we are just not aware off yet.

In any case, they are not a big waste of energy. Not compared to what the brain eats. It is not affecting the survival and reproduction of the Lizard in a meaningfull way, so the "selective pressure" (specimens die before reproducing) against it is limited.

 

"Actually how can a supposed random occurance favor anything?"

If your offspring randomly develop with +2 too -2 handiworks skill, the -2, -1, 0 and +1 will be selected out eventually, simply by the +2 being better adapted at this time.

Evolution is a mad scientist that tries absolutely everything at least 3 times over. The mutation either flies or dies. Evolution is "trial and error".

Some mutations are +2 Handiworks skill. Some are Haemophilia and never properly weeded out.

 

And really confusing is that +2 Handiworks might be a loss for any species that lack the brain to use it, so it is weeded out. While Haemophilia might actually make that specimen resistant to certain Illnesses.

For example there is a number of Genetic Disesaes that are nominally bad to have. Except they also make you inately resistant to Malaria. So this can actually be a tradeoff that is worth it.



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Posted 17 October 2017 - 05:31 PM

Activating all the human gene "switches" related to cognition has been suggested as one possible path to organic superintelligence.  Essentially you are engineering an outcome that might either never occur naturally, or might occur naturally only once in the entire lifespan of the species.  

 

http://nautil.us/iss...mans-are-coming


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