Tech priest support Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 On, should we keep or scrap DST? please give some reason for your view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinanju Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Scrap it. Or make it permanent. I'll accept either. But this bouncing back and forth twice a year is a pain in the ass. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Scrap it. With the way time is utilised nowadays, it's redundant. Making DST permanent would make even less sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Keep it. We need to conserve lamp oil! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 When I ascend to the throne, DST will be punishable by death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 make 6:00 am match sunrise - always! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Never affects me, as my area doesn't observe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 I get my best sleep of the year when it changes in the fall I take about 3 months it seems to get used to the change in spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Democracy Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 My solution is a compromise. When we get to Spring next year, everyone puts their clocks forward 30 minutes and then we leave it there forever... Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 I'm curious how closely opinions on DST track with one's latitude. Up here in the Great White Nort (ok...I'm not _that_ far north), it's rather nice when daylight savings rolls around in the fall -- I'm no longer getting up before the break of dawn. There's a definite mental advantage there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) One's opinion of DST usually depends on the latitude of residence. In the tropics there is no point because the seasonal differences in daylight hours are negligible. In the polar regions, there is no point because the extremes cannot be mitigated. In middle latitudes, 30's to 50's, it does make some sense if the economy of free sunlight and use of natural light in the work areas actually matter to a significant portion of the population. Internet workers get to be yanked around by their employers so much that DST does nothing for them, and the twice-yearly discontinuity in display times is exceedingly perplexing to programmers, given the not really compatible demands of 24-hour commerce and the implementation details of display-time changes. The strongest opinions in opposition to DST tend to come from IT workers who live in the tropics, who sometimes advocate complete disconnection of timekeeping convention from physical reality (i.e., make no display time changes EVER, with willful Trumpesque disregard for the rotation of Earth). That this means it makes more sense for everyone on Earth to adopt floating-point HJD (heliocentric Julian Day numbers, which are independent of location in the Solar System entirely) for timekeeping makes them recoil. The opposite extreme also makes sense, to abandon time zones completely and use true local solar time (which means no two locations on an east-west "line" will show the same display time at any moment), but business types and IT workers tend to be too inflexible in their thinking to find that acceptable, either. Another group who refuses to go to DST are folks who live near the western edge of their time zone, who are already, in effect, living daylight time (i.e., their clocks read noon well before actual solar noon). EDIT: only by accident does Simon's post immediately precede this one. Edited November 2, 2017 by Cancer ninja'ed, sort of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolgroth Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Personally, I don't care except for the week immediately following DST change. The Fall change isn't so hard but the Spring one sucks. Once that week-long transition is over, it by and large fails to register on my daily importance-o-meter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 This weekend I will be attending a LAN by the airport. If I were staying at the hotel I would be OK -- an extra hour of sleep per normal. This time, though, I'm commuting and depending on someone else for my ride home (I don't drive). He'll probably use the extra hours to game, which I don't begrudge him. But it makes me wonder how well I'll sleep. I'll miss being in the hotel this year. The staff have traditionally been very nice to me there over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Walsh Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Yeah, up here in the frozen north I'd go for permanent DST. It's already practiced a majority of the year, and the shift back in the spring is always a bummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Democracy Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Simon said: I'm curious how closely opinions on DST track with one's latitude. Up here in the Great White Nort (ok...I'm not _that_ far north), it's rather nice when daylight savings rolls around in the fall -- I'm no longer getting up before the break of dawn. There's a definite mental advantage there. I lived for much of my life in Glasgow (55 degrees N) and personally I think the changing is more hassle than it is worth, I understand the safety issues on both sides - for us the kids are either going to school in the dark or coming home in the dark...which is why I think we need to split the difference and stop all this chopping and changing. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 I'd say either scrap it or make it permanent. This business of spending roughly 2/3 of the year pretending we don't know what time it is is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 ... though that is a more complex problem than commonly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 "Timeline? This is no time to argue about time! We don't have the time! ...what was I saying?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Another take on that theme Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 25 minutes ago, Cancer said: ... though that is a more complex problem than commonly appreciated. Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 8 hours ago, dmjalund said: make 6:00 am match sunrise - always! That would make life above the Arctic circle even more confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 3 hours ago, Pariah said: Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. Time flies like an arrow ... ... fruit flies like bananas. aylwin13, Pariah and assault 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Onassiss Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Tinkering with the clock doesn't really change anything, and it's a huge inconvenience. I say get rid of DST, and then fire the bureaucrats who perpetuated it this long. Also, no severance pay for the dinks who kept changing the start/end dates. They're a menace. Just let me get my precious hour of sleep back this year because somebody owes me for that, and then let's be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 According to an All Things Considered report on DST that aired several years ago, DST began in WW2 as an accommodation between the need for workers in defense factories and workers on farms. Or something like that. It's perpetuated by lobbying from movie theaters, restaurants, nightclubs, and the rest of the evening entertainment industry, which finds that people are more likely to go out when it's still light. If they had their way, DST would last year-round, and maybe be shifted even more extremely from solar time. I say scrap it. Everyone else finds it a big nuisance. Including me. Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrinku Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 15 hours ago, Bazza said: Never affects me, as my area doesn't observe it. Smirk all you like, you tropical bastard I get overtime out of it, so I can't complain. And my own latitude (42 degrees south) seems to pretty much in the DST sweet spot. These days the best argument is probably environmental. Maximising natural light does cut down on power usage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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