Christopher R Taylor Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Quote The way I see it, not all "superhero" movies starring female title leads have the same commercial potential. Well yeah, obviously, look how long it took to get a dude superhero movie that was a real winner. No reason to assume female leads would do any better. But if it can be demonstrated to the dolts in Hollywood that audiences just like good, fun, well-written, well-acted movies no matter who the lead is, they'll be willing to take chances on what they weren't before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Nobody knew anyone wanted to see an Iron Man movie, until we saw it. Same with Captain America, Thor, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, and Dr. Strange. Most people hadn't even heard of those characters. Whether a Black Widow movie will fly will depend on how they do it, and how the general movie-going audience will react. But the Marvel brand, the character, and the actress all have serious name recognition and credibility now, which will go a long way. Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 I agree LL, and I would also say that expectations for all of those were correspondingly low going into their respective productions. But the Black Widow movie has acquired a false (IMO) sense of pent-up demand simply because it features a female lead character. Proponents of this movie (not here necessarily, but out in YouTube-land and social media at large) seem to see a correlation between Wonder Woman's success and Black Widow's potential success, which I just don't agree with. I predict that a Black Widow movie will only do about as well as Ant-Man, and that's accounting for the positive reputation of both Marvel as a brand and Scarlett as an actress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, zslane said: But the Black Widow movie has acquired a false (IMO) sense of pent-up demand simply because it features a female lead character. I think the demand is there, because it's an established fan favorite character. You could be right, but since I know I'm always right, it's unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Proponents of this movie (not here necessarily, but out in YouTube-land and social media at large) seem to see a correlation between Wonder Woman's success and Black Widow's potential success, which I just don't agree with. Yeah I'd put it in the same category as Ant man. If handled well it should be great, if not its not going to matter how hot Scarlett Jo is or what she's like in the Avengers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Pattern Ghost said: I think the demand is there, because it's an established fan favorite character. Oh there's a demand, no doubt about it. However, I think that demand is wildly exaggerated, in no small part because the call to make a good espionage thriller starring Black Widow is conflated with the call to make more comics-based movies with female title leads. I'm simply not convinced that doing the former helps the cause of the latter to the extent that the SJWs want to believe it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 I love how anyone hungry for characters that aren't male, white, and straight to headline some movies in Hollywood for a change is a "social justice warrior." RDU Neil, Lawnmower Boy, Old Man and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, zslane said: However, I think that demand is wildly exaggerated OK, that I agree on. I think if people are expecting it to make the same splash as Wonder Woman, they're going to be disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 15 hours ago, Matt the Bruins said: I love how anyone hungry for characters that aren't male, white, and straight to headline some movies in Hollywood for a change is a "social justice warrior." The SJWs are the ones making the loudest fuss about it on YouTube and social media. People like me, who love strong female heroes even more than strong male heroes but don't feel the need to make a crusade about it, eagerly await any and all such movies without ranting online about how morally corrupt Hollywood is for not doing more of it. I mean, Hollywood is morally corrupt, don't get me wrong, but what separates a fan from an SJW is the extent to which they try to make these things into great social imperatives. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Scarlett Johansson Shares Plans and Ideas for Black Widow Movie https://movieweb.com/black-widow-movie-scarlett-johansson-ideas-plans/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 You had me at "skin-tight cat suit". Though in reality that's not even one of the top three reasons I'd like to see a BW movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 The character isn't that interesting to me, nor is the espionage thriller genre that interesting to me. Plus, ScarJo does nothing for me as an actress. Having said that, if it does get made, I'll see it because it's an MCU movie (and at this point I'm an MCU completist), but it'll be a rental for me for sure. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 I would hope to see it include other lesser heroes and villains (COUGH*SERPENT SOCIETY*COUGH). Hawkeye at the very least. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 On 1/12/2018 at 3:04 AM, Doc Shadow said: The only problem is that no one under 40 would recognize Moose and Squirrel. There was the terrible movie with Jason Alexander and Rene Russo. Dave Thomas and Sally Kellerman did a better job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Sorry, but Rocky and Bullwinkle are eternal. Cartoon specialty channels, children's specialty channels, kids' viewing hour local programming, DVDs, streaming, file-sharing websites... Moose and Squirrel will be rediscovered by every succeeding generation. Just because most of us here are old farts who think everything cool for kids came out when we were that age, doesn't mean it all has to die with us. bigdamnhero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Still clueless to the moose and squirrel thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted January 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Bazza said: Still clueless to the moose and squirrel thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 That last image would be "Squirrel and Deer". Close, but no cigar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted January 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Not my fault @Francis_Hiddleston doesn't know a moose from a deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Well, they both make a decorative hat rack... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Over on the MCU thread a while back, I suggested an interesting plot for this movie might be pitting Natasha against her successor as the Black Widow, Yelena Belova. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 Maybe Marvel is planning to replace Scarlett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 Unlikely if they're giving her a BW movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Pattern Ghost said: Unlikely if they're giving her a BW movie. With her input as to the script development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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