JmOz Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 Been thinking about Green Lanterns recently If someone wanted to do a GL campaign where the rings were not paid for, how many points do you feel the characters should be? In otherwords if John, Hal, etc... were to be pointed up how many points NOT including the rings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 If you didn't have them pay for the rings, have them make Heroic character builds. Even without the ring, most bearers are pretty resourceful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 They don't get most of their characteristics from their rings, and some of them (Kilowog!) have superhuman characteristics. I wouldn't go too low, and certainly wouldn't inflict NCM on them. (But then, NCM should never be used for superheroes.) Everything depends on what you are planning on doing, but if you aren't concerned with restricting point totals, I'd consider making them "low powered superhumans" even without their rings. That might even be low, if you go nuts with skills, EGO (willpower!) and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 Hal Jordan without the ring. Str 20 Dex 25 Con 15 Body 11 Int 25 Ego 33 Pre 20 PD 10 ED 10 SPD 6 Rec 7 End 30 Stun 29 Scott Ruggels and massey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 Guy Gardner Str 20 Dex 23 Con 18 Body 12 Int 13 Ego 26 Pre 25 PD 13 ED 13 SPD 5 Rec 8 End 36 Stun 31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 Kilowog Str 45 Dex 15 Con 33 Body 15 Int 28 Ego 25 Pre 17.5 PD 28 ED 28 SPD 5 Rec 16 End 66 Stun 54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted June 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 Greywind, thanks for these (though I think you are WAY overestimating Hal's INT). Real good guidelines, anouther 25-50 points in skills and that would be a good basic character sheet for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 Stat conversions from DC Heroes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 John Stewart Str 20 Dex 23 Con 15 Body 11 Int 25 Ego 31 Pre 20 PD 10 ED 10 SPD 5 Rec 7 End 30 Stun 29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted June 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 38 minutes ago, Greywind said: Stat conversions from DC Heroes. The old Mayfair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 6 hours ago, JmOz said: Greywind, thanks for these (though I think you are WAY overestimating Hal's INT). Okay, I laughed. Touche' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted June 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Scott Ruggels said: Okay, I laughed. Touche' Was not trying to be funny. Int 25 is a high int. Hal is not an idiot, bit that is top scientist area IMO. My Batman would have 28.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 41 minutes ago, JmOz said: Was not trying to be funny. Int 25 is a high int. Hal is not an idiot, bit that is top scientist area IMO. My Batman would have 28.... Got them confused. It's Guy Gardiner who's the idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted June 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Scott Ruggels said: Got them confused. It's Guy Gardiner who's the idiot. G'nort is the idiot Guy is the ass hole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 Gnort Str 10 Dex 18 Con 13 Body 11 Int 8 Ego 20 Pre 12.5 PD 8 ED 8 SPD 3 Rec 5 End 26 Stun 23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 7 hours ago, JmOz said: Was not trying to be funny. Int 25 is a high int. Hal is not an idiot, bit that is top scientist area IMO. My Batman would have 28.... Justice League Bats Str 25 Dex 30 Con 20 Body 12 Int 35 Ego 20 Pre 35 PD 15 ED 15 SPD 8 Rec 9 End 40 Stun 35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 WRT those Int values... I think it's just an artifact of the system. Systems scale some things VERY differently. For one thing, note Hal's SPD 6, REC 7. Huh? That's just pathetic. Granted it doesn't have to be high but he can't complete a serious workout with that. With INT, I expect it's tying to the INT rolls, and possibly to Perception. One of the other things is, does MEGS even have a notion for "+1 to all INT skills"? Because it might well make more sense to give Batman a 23, then +1 or +2 will all INT skills, another +1 or +2 with, say, the detective-class skills, and +2 with all Perception. IOW, a more contextual translation rather than a strictly literal one, as I suspect was being done. Some of this, too, might just be how we think of INT, and the number itself is what's boggling. We associate it kind of on the same scale as most others, like DEX or STR, but INT has one purpose, and one purpose only...and that purpose does not involve that value. It involves the converted value. It's a 16-...this is cutting-edge stuff but not the realm of super-geniuses. So it's not necessarily wrong...and figure, it's also not very expensive. INT is cheap. Ask yourself...would you be as boggled if it was expressed as "INT rolls are 16-, for 25 points"? And figure, it might not feel quite right....but buying up all those skill levels may *well* cost MORE. I've done a couple builds where I bit the bullet and went with +2 or +3 Overall levels, because it was cheaper than +3 to the Power skill, CSLs, group skills, etc. One thing I love about Champions Now is that the stats are simplified...Str and Pre are effect-scaled; Dex, Int and Ego are scaled for target number. It's much cleaner. Not saying I like the costing or scaling Ron uses...but the notions are better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 But what about Mogo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 Mogo Str 750 Dex 5 Con 380 Body 84 Int 28 Ego 48 Pre 10 PD 375 ED 375 SPD 3 Rec 226 End 760 Stun 649 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 How do you train a planet sized green lantern? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 3 hours ago, dmjalund said: How do you train a planet sized green lantern? Size matters not- Yoda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 3 hours ago, dmjalund said: How do you train a planet sized green lantern? Fixed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 11 hours ago, dmjalund said: How do you train a planet sized green lantern? I do not want to see the size of THAT super duper pooper scooper..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJoe3 Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 6:48 AM, dmjalund said: How do you train a planet sized green lantern? With the biggest rolled-up newspaper in the universe. Eyrie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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