Lord Liaden Posted July 12, 2020 Report Share Posted July 12, 2020 But they apparently had the courtesy to have learned English by the time those Japanese movies played in North America. massey, Spence and Dr. MID-Nite 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: But they apparently had the courtesy to have learned English by the time those Japanese movies played in North America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Hugh Neilson said: Fixed that for you - trophies all round! In America, there can be no winners unless someone loses. In fact we frequently set things up so that everyone loses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massey Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Old Man said: In America, there can be no winners unless someone loses. In fact we frequently set things up so that everyone loses. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Lord Liaden said: It was loud, flashy, goofy escapism that didn't pretend to be anything else. Younger audiences who hadn't seen many earlier movies probably didn't recognize how derivative it was. But all the time I was in the theater watching it I kept thinking to myself, "That's from V, that's from Star Wars, that's from War of the Worlds, that's from Top Gun, that's from Alien..." Yeah I didn't make quite as many connections, but it was definitely heavy on Top Gun meets War of the Worlds. (I did miss the V, but I hadn't seen V since I was under 10 at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Spence said: Some times a duck is just that, a duck. I sometimes think that is the big failure of this decade. The complete lack of understanding that sometime there are no hidden meanings. Hmm, I dont know. I do see a lot directorial effort to push deeper meaning than what fits the material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Spence said: Yep, and as astounding as it may be, the aliens in the 60's Japanese scifi movies spoke Japanese. Shocking I know But when I watched it, they were speaking badly synchronized English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 48 minutes ago, massey said: Star Trek V: The Final Frontier? Watching it I definitely felt like I lost something...time?, part of my life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 Back to city on edge of forever. That stuff McCoy injected himself with. That was blood extracted from a 5 year old in a grocery store. Diluted, of course. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Badger said: Hmm, I dont know. I do see a lot directorial effort to push deeper meaning than what fits the material. Probably why the crap to good ratio leans so far to the crap side these days. I remember when we got a couple entertaining and enjoyable movies a month. Now we hope we get one or two "blockbusters" a year with the vast majority of the remaining attempts are pretty pathetic and forgotten within days of release. Anyway, more often than not these days the "directorial effort to push deeper meaning" only manages to produce a mess that no one watches. My guess is most of them have forgotten that they are supposed to be making entertainment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 2 hours ago, massey said: Star Trek V: The Final Frontier? 1 hour ago, Badger said: Watching it I definitely felt like I lost something...time?, part of my life? That was the first time I walked out of a movie theater feeling cheated. The other times were Phantom Menace and The Force Awakens.. Scott Ruggels and massey 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 12 hours ago, Spence said: Gaspers....movies made in 40's thru 60's in the US for US consumption with little or no real view toward being seen outside the US would present the US in the leading roles? Oh my how horrendous. I mean when you look at British film in the same era it is the British that always saves the world, Doctor Who included Though recently the Brits have been infected with the same "arrghhh I'm evil" syndrome that is being pushed. Objective Burma ! was 1945 but U571 was 2000 and Independence Day was 1996. It's a persistent Hollywood problem.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 Anyone know if the 50s tv serial The Quatermass Experiment was an influence on Star Trek? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 How about lots of movies and tv shows have pro- home nation messages and lots of tv shows and movies don't...yeesh. Duke Bushido 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 14 hours ago, Badger said: There are people around that like Independence day? Or is there a non will smith movie with that name I dont know about I had to go to a funeral for a beloved Uncle. All us kids were devastated, We all decided to go see a movie afterwards. It was Independence Day. The over the top ness of it made us forget the rest of the day for a while. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 15 hours ago, DShomshak said: I loathe The Omega Glory for the same reason I loathe Bread and Circuses and Miri. Alternate history is fun, but the idea that there's an actual other Earth out in space, or a planet whose inhabitants replicated Earth history to the point of precisely copying the Roman Empire or the exact wording of the U. S. Constitution, makes me go, "No, that's ridiculous." Exact other-humans is enough of a stretch; I will grant the effort to explain it away through hints that aliens transplanted human colonies to other worlds. At least Nazi World and Chicago Mobster World had defined points of recent interference. Whatever worth Omega Glory has as a story, for me that revelation at the ending turns it all to crap. Dean Shomshak Original Star Trek was really more of an anthology series, with a recurring cast, like many other shows of the time. We didn't get solid continuity until the movies, and they managed it by essentially throwing out most of the weirdness of the original series. Starlord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 22 hours ago, Badger said: There are people around that like Independence day? It improved immensely after the fact, thanks to the much crappier sequel and current events. Who knew that the White House and Capitol Building exploding into flaming debris would become feel-good moments upon rewatch? Lord Liaden, Pariah and Drhoz 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 On 7/12/2020 at 4:18 PM, Spence said: It is just fashionable to bash anything from the US these days. "These days?" Did you not travel much outside the US? I'm 62 and Canadian, and I can't remember when bashing the US wasn't fashionable. Pattern Ghost, Spence and Lawnmower Boy 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 There was a fair amount of US-bashing back in the early 1960s, but it was distributed around the world differently than it is today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 Yeah. It wasn't all over the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 But it was all over the short-wave band. Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 I liked Independence Day. I thought it was pretty good, especially Quaid as the abductee finally getting his revenge by saving the world CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 Well that was the best part. Last I heard of Quaid, though. He may have been playing his real life self massey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massey Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 9 hours ago, Badger said: Well that was the best part. Last I heard of Quaid, though. He may have been playing his real life self I don’t think they even told him he was in a movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 I'm lost here. In which season of Star Trek was "Independence Day"? Which episode number was it? I must have missed that one. Scott Ruggels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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