fdw3773 Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 Many years ago, I remember Eclipse Comics publishing Champions comic book series that featured Marksman, Flare, Icestar, Giant, Rose a.k.a. Psyche, and a small host of other heroes and villains featured in the early RPG versions. I recall one the interesting features was that at the end of the issue, a character writeup was featured with complete stats of a character from the series. Were these character stats ever published in a Hero Games product? If so, are they available as a PDF for purchase and download? I first got into Champions with third edition, and even though I picked up an old Champions sourcebook here and there from second edition (e.g. Champions II and III), I never came across a consolidated list of character writeups for them. By fourth edition and beyond, a different set of characters had been established (e.g. Defender, Quantum, Seeker, etc.) pbemguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbemguy Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 I have these comics...in storage, unfortunately. Does this thread help? Link: https://www.herogames.com/forums/topic/83329-the-guardians-project-lets-build-the-original-champions/ fdw3773 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted August 13, 2020 Report Share Posted August 13, 2020 The Guardians, as they were known, were only available as a playtest group and for the covers of 1st edition to 3rd edition. Stats were never published till Eclipse Comics did so. Once the split happened with Dennis Mahoney the stats were never published ever again. At least not Hero System stats fdw3773 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 hours ago, steriaca said: The Guardians, as they were known, were only available as a playtest group and for the covers of 1st edition to 3rd edition. Stats were never published till Eclipse Comics did so. Once the split happened with Dennis Mahoney the stats were never published ever again. At least not Hero System stats I know for some time, Heroic Publishing had an area on their site dedicated to stats. Haven't seen it in their latest page, but you might be able to find it on the wayback machine or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, Sketchpad said: I know for some time, Heroic Publishing had an area on their site dedicated to stats. Haven't seen it in their latest page, but you might be able to find it on the wayback machine or something. I believe they tried to publish a sourcebook using Kickstarter for Icons rpg system. But that failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdw3773 Posted August 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 12 hours ago, steriaca said: The Guardians, as they were known, were only available as a playtest group and for the covers of 1st edition to 3rd edition. Stats were never published till Eclipse Comics did so. Once the split happened with Dennis Mahoney the stats were never published ever again. At least not Hero System stats Thanks! That clarifies a lot. I remember seeing those characters featured on the cover and even some interior art, but I wasn't sure who was who at first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdw3773 Posted August 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 13 hours ago, pbemguy said: I have these comics...in storage, unfortunately. Does this thread help? Link: https://www.herogames.com/forums/topic/83329-the-guardians-project-lets-build-the-original-champions/ Yes, the link helps out a lot to give me a basic idea. Thanks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchpad Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 On 8/13/2020 at 8:45 PM, steriaca said: I believe they tried to publish a sourcebook using Kickstarter for Icons rpg system. But that failed. Maybe. The stats on the page were Hero/Champions stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, Sketchpad said: Maybe. The stats on the page were Hero/Champions stats. The Icons thing was aproxim two or more years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjack Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 What would be the possibility of getting an “official” update of these characters in a new playbook. Are all the rights still tied up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tjack said: What would be the possibility of getting an “official” update of these characters in a new playbook. Are all the rights still tied up? No. They are not tied up at all. They are in the hands of the character's creators. Since you have to talk to multiple people and somehow contact the dead in regards to Gargoyle, it is probably impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjack Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 33 minutes ago, steriaca said: No. They are not tied up at all. They are in the hands of the character's creators. Since you have to talk to multiple people and somehow contact the dead in regards to Gargoyle, it is probably impossible. That’s what I was referring to. But I was trying to be circumspect because I wasn’t sure if all the original creators were on good terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 29 minutes ago, Tjack said: That’s what I was referring to. But I was trying to be circumspect because I wasn’t sure if all the original creators were on good terms. The ones that are still alive are. pbemguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 38 minutes ago, Scott Ruggels said: The ones that are still alive are. True. But individuals are individuals. Some might jump at a chance for a Guardians source book. Others might not want to see one. Still others want to write it themselves. I don't want to discourage you. But don't you think they did it already instead of waiting so long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbemguy Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 On 8/13/2020 at 3:20 PM, fdw3773 said: Many years ago, I remember Eclipse Comics publishing Champions comic book series that featured Marksman, Flare, Icestar, Giant, Rose a.k.a. Psyche, and a small host of other heroes and villains featured in the early RPG versions. I recall one the interesting features was that at the end of the issue, a character writeup was featured with complete stats of a character from the series. Were these character stats ever published in a Hero Games product? If so, are they available as a PDF for purchase and download? I first got into Champions with third edition, and even though I picked up an old Champions sourcebook here and there from second edition (e.g. Champions II and III), I never came across a consolidated list of character writeups for them. By fourth edition and beyond, a different set of characters had been established (e.g. Defender, Quantum, Seeker, etc.) On 8/14/2020 at 11:28 PM, Scott Ruggels said: The ones that are still alive are. I like what you're doing fdw3773. I'll help out in any way I can. 👍 fdw3773 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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