Pariah Posted August 18, 2020 Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 "Starship Mine" is basically the Star Trek version of "Die Hard". Naturally it's awesome. (And now I'm hearing in my mind, "Now I have a phaser. Ho Ho Ho.") massey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 11 hours ago, death tribble said: Sarek. Spock's father needs help I remember that Picard stated that he was "at his son's wedding" I wonder who Spock married? (Not T'Pring because 1) Picard wasn't born yet. 2) they never actually got married) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbemguy Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 18 hours ago, death tribble said: Ensign Ro. I like Michelle Forbes. Deal with it. I'm with you. Lee and Ragitsu 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 11 hours ago, dmjalund said: I remember that Picard stated that he was "at his son's wedding" I wonder who Spock married? (Not T'Pring because 1) Picard wasn't born yet. 2) they never actually got married) Maybe it wasn't Spock. Maybe Sarek adopted an orphan boy after Michael Burnham left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, Pariah said: Maybe it wasn't Spock. Maybe Sarek adopted an orphan boy after Michael Burnham left. this can't have been the intent as it was before any idea of Sarek adopting kids was introduced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted August 20, 2020 Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 "Sarek" was a great episode. The tragic fall of a mighty mind, and Picard's herculean effort to contain the powerful, roiling emotions of another man's tragic history because he was the only one with enough discipline to do it -- and nearly cracking under the strain. Then there is "Yesterday's Enterprise", which gave the fanbase the story said fanbase thought they wanted (evil Klingons and a war in space) and showed it to be a horrifying nightmare. This wasn't the last time they would play with expectations. I wish we had seen more of Seela, but I suspect her failure to manipulate Spock intop doing her bidding was too much for her Romulan masters. Speaking of Romulans, the episode with Hans Conried as a Romulan defector had a special power, to see a many greatest hopes turned against him. I don't remember the title of the episode. Certified and Ragitsu 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted August 20, 2020 Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 Any episode with Commander Tomalak is worth including in this discussion. Andreas was a fantastic actor. Certified 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted August 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2020 On 8/18/2020 at 4:16 PM, Pariah said: "Starship Mine" is basically the Star Trek version of "Die Hard". Naturally it's awesome. (And now I'm hearing in my mind, "Now I have a phaser. Ho Ho Ho.") It is a fun episode, but I'm increasingly viewing it as a bit of a guilty pleasure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Ragitsu said: It is a fun episode, but I'm increasingly viewing it as a bit of a guilty pleasure. We also get to see Tim Russ before he acquires his role as Tuvok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted August 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 41 minutes ago, dmjalund said: We also get to see Tim Russ before he acquires his role as Tuvok One good quote deserves another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Certified Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 While clearly not the best episodes,I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge any episode with Howling Mad Barclay. I have this theory that you can take almost any Wesley Crusher episode and give it to Barclay and it gets better. Also, I trust, this cat knew how to "utilize" the holodeck. 😈 Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Certified said: While clearly not the best episodes,I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge any episode with Howling Mad Barclay. I have this theory that you can take almost any Wesley Crusher episode and give it to Barclay and it gets better. Also, I trust, this cat knew how to "utilize" the holodeck. 😈 In the Voyager finale, Barclay has made a fortune as a sort of "holodeck novelist", creating experiences for others (apparently holodecks are also a civilian technology, and Barclay's ability to create new experiences for them is almost without peer). Whether that is the case in the timeline Janeway created by bringing the Voyager home twenty years early is unclear. Certified 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Michael Hopcroft said: In the Voyager finale, Barclay has made a fortune as a sort of "holodeck novelist", The concept of money and wealth is the single 'worst managed' thing there is in the ST universe. One minute we eliminated money, the next we're 'selling' Tribbles. The Ferengi prize wealth...but who do they sell and buy things from if all 'wealth' has been eliminated. This idea seems to change from episode to episode and series to series. Certified 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted August 21, 2020 Report Share Posted August 21, 2020 41 minutes ago, Starlord said: The concept of money and wealth is the single 'worst managed' thing there is in the ST universe. One minute we eliminated money, the next we're 'selling' Tribbles. The Ferengi prize wealth...but who do they sell and buy things from if all 'wealth' has been eliminated. This idea seems to change from episode to episode and series to series. Anyone trying to sell me is in for a world of hurt. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted August 22, 2020 Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Starlord said: The concept of money and wealth is the single 'worst managed' thing there is in the ST universe. One minute we eliminated money, the next we're 'selling' Tribbles. The Ferengi prize wealth...but who do they sell and buy things from if all 'wealth' has been eliminated. This idea seems to change from episode to episode and series to series. Wealth, as a goal to be pursued by individuals, has been explicitly eliminated in the Federation, at least across broader society. That doesn't mean the many alien civilizations in the galaxy can't still employ the concept. 1 hour ago, death tribble said: Anyone trying to sell me is in for a world of hurt. Just saying. What are you gonna do, breed all over us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 22, 2020 Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 If we can’t sell him, can we pay someone to take him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Certified Posted August 22, 2020 Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Lord Liaden said: What are you gonna do, breed all over us? I think that's only on the 18+ version of this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted August 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 On 8/21/2020 at 3:47 PM, Starlord said: The concept of money and wealth is the single 'worst managed' thing there is in the ST universe. One minute we eliminated money, the next we're 'selling' Tribbles. The Ferengi prize wealth...but who do they sell and buy things from if all 'wealth' has been eliminated. This idea seems to change from episode to episode and series to series. The best interpretation is that, within The Federation, essentials - shelter, nutrition, communication, healthcare, education, transportation, et cetera - are all free. If you desire a luxury or a specific occupation, you have to seek it or work for it. When it comes to interacting with non-Federation species, the Federation allots its citizens (or Starfleet members) a stipend of intergalactic credits that can be used for trade. With this system in place, the overwhelming majority of economic conflict is external. Needless to say, I DEFINITELY prefer what they're doing over our bog standard capitalism. wcw43921 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted August 22, 2020 Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 My greatest hits list for TNG would include "Q Who?" "Yesterday's Enterprise," "Best of Both Worlds," its follow-up "Family," "Qpid," "Time's Arrow," and "Phantasms." Would we be in agreement that "Sub Rosa" was the worst? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted August 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 36 minutes ago, Matt the Bruins said: My greatest hits list for TNG would include "Q Who?" "Yesterday's Enterprise," "Best of Both Worlds," its follow-up "Family," "Qpid," "Time's Arrow," and "Phantasms." Would we be in agreement that "Sub Rosa" was the worst? At least "Sub Rosa" has Beverly Crusher in the driver's seat and is doing something different. "Shades of Grey" remains less enjoyable... it is just a clip episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted August 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 Edit: Double post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted August 22, 2020 Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 Not so different if you'd read The Witching Hour. I was surprised Anne Rice didn't sue over the similarities to her book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massey Posted August 22, 2020 Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 On 8/18/2020 at 6:16 PM, Pariah said: "Starship Mine" is basically the Star Trek version of "Die Hard". Naturally it's awesome. (And now I'm hearing in my mind, "Now I have a phaser. Ho Ho Ho.") I love this episode. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted August 22, 2020 Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 On 8/19/2020 at 8:46 AM, Pariah said: "Starship Mine" is basically the Star Trek version of "Die Hard". Naturally it's awesome. (And now I'm hearing in my mind, "Now I have a phaser. Ho Ho Ho.") Yes and no. From Memory Alpha: Quote Although the episode is often compared to Die Hard, Morgan Gendel denies the connection. He commented, "I'm not going to talk about it as Die Hard. That's somebody else's work. It's an idea we've seen countless times: Under Siege, Passenger 57. What I liked was the element I had come up with of the captain going down with his ship, which was rejected as a notion in the 24th century. That was a strong line for me – a captain alone with his ship. My theory is that what Picard loved most was the Enterprise. I don't think the staff agreed with me. I think they thought it was too much of a 20th or 18th century concept, or Kirk." (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages, p. 275) Quote Gendel did describe his pitch for the episode as "Die Hard on the Enterprise," however. ("TNG's The Inner Light: Behind the Scenes", Phoenix Comicon 2011) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted August 22, 2020 Report Share Posted August 22, 2020 18 hours ago, Matt the Bruins said: Would we be in agreement that "Sub Rosa" was the worst? We would not. Bad as "Sub Rosa" was, I found "Justice" (where an alien race fails to execute Wesley Crusher for breaking a flower) and "Code of Honor" (where Tasha Yar was kidnapped in a Blaxploitation flick gone wrong) to be even worse. Frankly, much of the first season was pretty weak, and a lot of the episodes felt like recycled concepts from the original series. I feel like it was only in the third season that TNG began to find its own way. YMMV, naturally. Lee and Ragitsu 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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