Greywind Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 58 minutes ago, Sicarius said: Perhaps there was other havoc he wrought of which we have yet to be told. 🤔 He fathered Franklin, which lead to the Heroes Reborn atrocity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massey Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 31 minutes ago, Greywind said: He fathered Franklin, which lead to the Heroes Reborn atrocity. 2 hours ago, HeroGM said: Flashback scene It can't be untold havoc if we, the readers, were told about it. Lawnmower Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, massey said: It can't be untold havoc if we, the readers, were told about it. Liefeld art at his best... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massey Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, JmOz said: Liefeld art at his best... Technically that is a true statement... Matt the Bruins and Duke Bushido 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 I know...I so feel he is overrated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, massey said: It can't be untold havoc if we, the readers, were told about it. What the Hell sort of Cubist nightmare is _that_?! It's like a panorama shot gone horribly, horribly wrong..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Duke Bushido said: What the Hell sort of Cubist nightmare is _that_?! It's like a panorama shot gone horribly, horribly wrong..... This is one of the better pieces by a guy named Rob Leifield...He was popular about 20 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 I see. Thanks. And of course, I was tempted to start googling once I had a name. That was a mistake. Are comic book artists hard to find or something? That guy was-- -well, it's all better than I could do, so I'm not going to say "terrible," but I _am_ going to say "subpar" compared to other stuff I've seen that came straight from comics. Though he does seem to be single-handedly responsible for that 90's "brood until one eye glows!" nonsense.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 early 90's were an odd time...a lot of sub par artists were very popular, lots broke off and formed Image...Compared to George Perez, I'll take Perez Acroyear II 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 Phil Jimenez modeled his style off Perez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sicarius Posted December 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 10 hours ago, Duke Bushido said: I see. Thanks. And of course, I was tempted to start googling once I had a name. That was a mistake. Are comic book artists hard to find or something? That guy was-- -well, it's all better than I could do, so I'm not going to say "terrible," but I _am_ going to say "subpar" compared to other stuff I've seen that came straight from comics. Though he does seem to be single-handedly responsible for that 90's "brood until one eye glows!" nonsense.... Some things are better left undone. This wouldn't even work for me with the Hulk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroGM Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 10 hours ago, JmOz said: early 90's were an odd time...a lot of sub par artists were very popular, lots broke off and formed Image...Compared to George Perez, I'll take Perez Perez, Byrne, Booth, Ploog, Nauck... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 That is an amazing picture, art-wise. And look at it critically: its very, _very_ simple line art. Seriously: the faces are all little more than dashes, but you dont nitice it at the "distance" implied by the picture. What makes it so amazing is that the artist had a very clear understanding of anatomy and proportion, _and_ what a body actually does when its making a given movement, and even how to exaggerate that posture, implying great effort or force or speed- without over-selling and making it a characature of what he is representing. In short, it is mechanically perfect, simple and clean, by an artist who knew exactly how a body worked under tension and at rest. I have to point this out, because from what you guys and Google tell me, that Captain America up there was at one point the most popular comic art in the industry. So after pointing out exaclty why that second picture is so amazing, I have to wonder just how many, of the folks that have come and gone on the board who have given me endless grief and 'low brow' comments about my absolute love of Mark Williams' work were gorging themselves on the cubist horrors of that guy up above? Williams had complete understanding of anatomy, proportion, and clean, crisp line work. If he had managed to live long enough to master motion and action poses- and been willing to do the slightly off-putting (to me) comic book tradition of making everyone seven heads high, he'd have been amazing. If only he had lived long enough. But in the end, that's all of us, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 Image wasn't all bad, but it did tend to showcase the worst trends in comics at the time as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 Image chased (and I assume still does) the current fad. Unfortunately the other 2 big companies have more and more done the same. I like my simple, clean, line art. Like Duke was saying... Duke Bushido and Ninja-Bear 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 Mark Williams, like me (not that I put myself in his category) needed a better inker. With better inks and coloring, his stuff would look brilliant. Just good coloring makes a huge difference. Some stuff doesn't stand up as well in B&W Lawnmower Boy and Duke Bushido 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroGM Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 Thread drift. I always thought this was an interesting example of Multiform. Taken from John Byrne's Trio. The character (Rock, as in Rock, Paper, Scissors) feels pain when he switched back and forth from his hero form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 hours ago, HeroGM said: Thread drift. I always thought this was an interesting example of Multiform. Taken from John Byrne's Trio. The character (Rock, as in Rock, Paper, Scissors) feels pain when he switched back and forth from his hero form. Two things: First, never, _ever_ tell me where that naked guy was hiding that fat wad of cash. EVER! Second: if we're going to keep bumping this thread, can we go ahead and get it to the next page? I don't know about you guys, but for me this page opens dead onto that picture of Captain Bender up there with his chest panel door swinging open.... Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 50 minutes ago, Duke Bushido said: Second: if we're going to keep bumping this thread, can we go ahead and get it to the next page? I don't know about you guys, but for me this page opens dead onto that picture of Captain Bender up there with his chest panel door swinging open.... I will happily make a sizable contribution to that cause. Duke Bushido 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 Liefield...worse the longer he went Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroGM Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 My first experience with him was Infinity Inc. and he didn't seem that bad. The Marvel years though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sicarius Posted December 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Duke Bushido said: Two things: First, never, _ever_ tell me where that naked guy was hiding that fat wad of cash. EVER! Second: if we're going to keep bumping this thread, can we go ahead and get it to the next page? I don't know about you guys, but for me this page opens dead onto that picture of Captain Bender up there with his chest panel door swinging open.... No wonder my momma called it 'filthy money' 🤮 Duke Bushido 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 28 minutes ago, HeroGM said: My first experience with him was Infinity Inc. and he didn't seem that bad. The Marvel years though..... True, I actually really enjoyed the early Hawk & Dove stuff he did (but more for the story than the art). However, the art was not bad at the time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 Perez on Cap, trying to get the ugly gone , ohh the Avengers as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 See? that's what I'm talking about! Clean, crisp lines, real anatomy (except for the seven and eight heads tall stuff. I know-- that's apparently comic book tradition, but it gives me this Uncanny Valley / Barbie doll vibe.... Still, it's _miles_-- hundred and _hundreds_ of miles-- ahead of that atrocity up above. (and thanks, guys. You're the greatest! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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