2022-23 NFL Thread

[Old Man]

27 minutes ago, slikmar said:

My brother was commenting the other day about how big a gap there seems to be between starting QBs and their backups. I mean, there are 32 starters of varying ages, how are there not 32 more QBs of varying ages at least close in skill?

 

Just because there are 32 starters doesn't mean there's 32 starting-caliber QBs in the league.  Successful QBs require a combination of arm strength and skill, football knowledge, coaching skill and compatibility, leadership qualities, telepathy, teammate ability, scheme, and luck that is tantamount to winning the lottery.

 

Also, successful QBs are so bloody expensive that few teams can afford one of them let alone two.

[Old Man]

Football Outsiders has an interesting take on the Denver-Payton deal:

 

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Payton will either use his prestige and power to build a bridge between Team Walmart and Planet Russ or become one more powerful faction in a very complicated and violent MMORPG.

 

[unclevlad]

46 minutes ago, Old Man said:

 

Just because there are 32 starters doesn't mean there's 32 starting-caliber QBs in the league.  Successful QBs require a combination of arm strength and skill, football knowledge, coaching skill and compatibility, leadership qualities, telepathy, teammate ability, scheme, and luck that is tantamount to winning the lottery.

 

Also, successful QBs are so bloody expensive that few teams can afford one of them let alone two.

 

Yeah, it's a mess.  Lots of bad starters.  
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-ranking-all-32-teams-primary-starting-quarterbacks-at-the-end-of-th

Purdy's 15th...largely because of a small body of work.  But I point him out to note that you can assert no one below him is truly starter-level...because he was 3rd string.  That's half the starters in the league.

 

Old Man notes the economics.  

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback

 

Start connecting them.  Cousins:  $35M.  Carr:  $40M.  Dak is listed at 10th...with big question marks...but $40M.  That's not even discussing Murray (heavily believed to be overpaid), Watson (worst move ever), or Stafford (Rams sold their soul for the SB win, this year was largely expected).  The price for someone who's shown he's at least semi-competent is ridiculously huge because teams are DESPERATE for them.

 

For backups, the issue is...what can you afford?  Jameis Winston's $14M hurts.  Jimmy G's $14M cap hit was manageable because Lance was on a rookie deal.  The backup QB ranks tend to have either kiddies like Purdy or has-beens like Dalton or Flacco, or "well they don't usually mess up" lifetime backups like Colt McCoy or Case Keenum.  Because they're CHEAP.  Also:  the backups who might do OK...want starter money, even if it's lower-tier starter money.  So there's a churn factor, where the better backups go free agent for a while...often sliding back within a couple years all the way into the has-beens group.

[Pariah]

41 minutes ago, Old Man said:

Football Outsiders has an interesting take on the Denver-Payton deal:

 

[Pariah]

From the Book of Face:

 

"Tom Brady now has more retirements than Aaron Rodgers has championships."

[unclevlad]

"List the following names in order of likelihood of winning a Super Bowl moving forward, most likely first:
a)  Aaron Rodgers
b)  Jerry Jones
c)  Tom Brady."

<the answer key says c, b, a;  with half credit for c, a, b.  >

[Pariah]

So I guess the teams that have proven themselves incapable of finding the next Brock Purdy now have a chance to look for the next Kurt Warner.

 

Arena Football League Relaunches Under New Ownership Group With Plans for 2024 Return

[unclevlad]

Except that the talent pool is going to be thinned out more than a nightclub's drinks.  XFL, USFL, and AFL at the same time?  I really doubt both the XFL and USFL can survive;  the AFL is different, as it's a faster, smaller game.  Still going to be a potential problem getting significant TV exposure and money.  AFL's game may also not compete well...it's too different...IF the XFL or USFL (or some merged combo) offers a decent brand of more conventional play.

 

Hey, did anyone remember there were some skills contests going on tonight?  If so, did you care?

 

Let the whole freaking Pro Bowl 'event' die....

[unclevlad]

A very sobering, disturbing number from the NFL:  concussions in 2022 up 22%.

 

Some, I'm sure, are related to the tighter protocols.  I remember seeing several players ordered to the sidelines for a concussion check.  What's both encouraging and disturbing is, if more checks are leading to this large a rise in detections.............how many have been missed in the last 5 years?

[Cygnia]

[Old Man]

1 hour ago, unclevlad said:

A very sobering, disturbing number from the NFL:  concussions in 2022 up 22%.

 

Some, I'm sure, are related to the tighter protocols.  I remember seeing several players ordered to the sidelines for a concussion check.  What's both encouraging and disturbing is, if more checks are leading to this large a rise in detections.............how many have been missed in the last 5 years?

Lots? Football has only begrudgingly begun to take brain injuries seriously, and they still have a long way to go. It took a graphic hit to Tua to get them to actually enforce the concussion rules they already had. 

[slikmar]

I would say go ask Troy Aikman, but he can't actually remember most of them.

[Pariah]

I just saw an unnecessary roughness penalty called during a flag football game.

 

I can check that one off the list, I guess.

[death tribble]

I know I am missing something but I can' think what it is.

There was no football on  over the weekend and I cannot work out why

[Pariah]

Based on social media data, here's who each state is cheering for on Super Bowl Sunday:

 

[Logan D. Hurricanes]

Idaho looks a little out of place there. 

 

 

I know, I'm being redundant. 

[Cancer]

Looking for a DGAF state.

[Logan D. Hurricanes]

A.J. Green retiring after 12 years in NFL with Bengals, Cardinals

[Old Man]

 

20 minutes ago, Cancer said:

Looking for a DGAF state.

 

I'm in one.  I don't care what that graphic says, the fanbase here is all about west coast teams* and Miami plus, inexplicably, the Steelers.  No one here cares about KC or Philly.

 

 

* With a time lag, so 49ers-Raiders-Seahawks, not Rams or Chargers.

[wcw43921]

Well, this is one Illinoisan who's rooting for the team representing the city where he was born.

 

FLY EAGLES FLY!!!!!

[death tribble]

3 hours ago, Cancer said:

Looking for a DGAF state.

Didn't Get Away Friday or Don't Go Away Friday ?

Divine Gillian Anderson Fan ?

[Cancer]

Don't Give A F-bomb

[Old Man]

36 minutes ago, wcw43921 said:

Well, this is one Illinoisan who's rooting for the team representing the city where he was born.

 

FLY EAGLES FLY!!!!!

You should be aware that there is an informal policy against NGD forum members rooting for franchises that do not consistently suck. We’ll let it go this time, but next season you might have to switch to the Jets or Bears. 

[Cancer]

Or Vikings.

[Pariah]

1 hour ago, Old Man said:

You should be aware that there is an informal policy against NGD forum members rooting for franchises that do not consistently suck. We’ll let it go this time, but next season you might have to switch to the Jets or Bears. 

 

Um, the Eagles are still in the NFC East, are they not? Are we to believe that after one surprising year, we're all just giving up on the entire NFC East sucking consistently?