Old Man Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 WotC: A Working Conversation About the Open Game License (OGL) Good: Actually soliciting customer feedback and doing away with some of the bad aspects of the leaked OGL1.1 Bad: No mention of not trying to revoke OGL1.0a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted January 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 Trust has been broken, I think this is too late, but people will pay attention. Khymeria 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 Fan response is still negative, mainly because this is a warmed-over version of last week's announcement. Nothing of substance has changed. Khymeria 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, Cygnia said: don't worry. He'll miss Beast and Lawnmower Boy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted January 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 He takes WoTC’s new “Apology” apart piece by piece and provides new info. Remember surveys are to syphon off feedback and bury it so it doesn’t end up on Teddit or YouTube. Tune in tomorrow. archer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khymeria Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 Unless they change 1.0a to simply read irrevocable the conversation with serious 3rd party creators is over. Unless they change the language so they can’t take your work (and somehow say they never thought of that) that conversation is over. Unless they remove language that they can change new OGL at any time with 30 days notice the conversation is over. archer and Scott Ruggels 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 Meanwhile, more leaks... Scott Ruggels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 “Armchair gamers”? How is that different from, like, …gamers? Is there some kind of hardcore crossfit gaming I’m unaware of? Opal, Duke Bushido, Lawnmower Boy and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 43 minutes ago, Old Man said: “Armchair gamers”? How is that different from, like, …gamers? Is there some kind of hardcore crossfit gaming I’m unaware of? I've seen some people at conventions get quite physical at the gaming table. Even rolling dice while standing up and acting like they're at a Las Vegas craps table when they roll well. Scott Ruggels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 I've pulled muscles sneezing -- one day, it'll happen when I roll dice. BarretWallace, Steve and archer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted January 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Cygnia said: Meanwhile, more leaks... As was said, the only reason for Surveys is to put the "conversation" someplace that isn't public, and bury it, rather than let it out into the public via Reddit, and YouTube. Khymeria 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khymeria Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 4 hours ago, Scott Ruggels said: As was said, the only reason for Surveys is to put the "conversation" someplace that isn't public, and bury it, rather than let it out into the public via Reddit, and YouTube. I’ve heard some of this dismissive rhetoric of feedback given by the peasantry firsthand before. The surveys have always just been rage siphons and that’s why credits in some of the books include “thanks to legion of fans” and stopped listing all the actual playtesters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 A corporate apology? I'd rather be struck across the face with a trout: such a gesture is honest, at least. BarretWallace and Khymeria 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 10 hours ago, Old Man said: “Armchair gamers”? How is that different from, like, …gamers? Is there some kind of hardcore crossfit gaming I’m unaware of? Didn’t Hero start that with the Core Books? You kig them around? 😁 BarretWallace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Old Man and Khymeria 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarretWallace Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 15 hours ago, Cygnia said: I've pulled muscles sneezing -- one day, it'll happen when I roll dice. As a Minnesotan, I approve this message! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted January 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 So this dropped today, and it's apparently an announcement for OGL 1.2 It appears that WoTC has backed down, on some items and have moved the 5e mechanics to Creative Commons, but which version the announcement does not say. I am not one that can provide any sort of legal analysis, but it appears to be less of grab than before, but I could be wrong. Announcement.https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1432-starting-the-ogl-playtest PDF of the New OGL:https://www.dndbeyond.com/attachments/39j2li89/OGL1.2_DraftForDiscussionPurpose.pdf Take a look and see if this will stem the tide of people becoming new Pathfinder players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 Episode 1.2 of the OGL Saga: The OGL "Playtest" In which WotC retains the right to kick people out of the OGL, terminate the OGL, or impose royalties whenever they want. While they continue to try to revoke OGL 1.0a. They do, however, cherry pick the uncopyrightable core mechanics and "release" them under a Creative Commons license, so there's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 Paizo continues to position itself and it's Pathfinder D&D clone as the plucky Rebelion to Hasbro's Evil Empire: https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si7y?The-ORC-Alliance-Grows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 WOTC: I am your father Paizo: That's Impossible! drunkonduty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted January 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute recap. Response to the new OGL by D&D Shorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 Its not $30, it's 19.99 for the first year! Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 On 1/18/2023 at 6:32 PM, Old Man said: “Armchair gamers”? How is that different from, like, …gamers? Is there some kind of hardcore crossfit gaming I’m unaware of? LARP. Those are the crossfit gamers. Lots of these videos are no longer available So... Google involvement, or a buttload of C and D orders flying about? Steve and Christopher R Taylor 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 Roll20, Deadlands and Numenera RPG makers join Pathfinder studio’s open game licence as D&D OGL rival gathers momentum Hermit and Scott Ruggels 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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