tiger Posted August 11 Author Report Share Posted August 11 Love dad jokes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted August 12 Author Report Share Posted August 12 Lol, no worries. I'm hoping there's room for all the characters. Maybe even able to add some more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Teriaca Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 1 hour ago, tiger said: Lol, no worries. I'm hoping there's room for all the characters. Maybe even able to add some more King's Gambit comes to mind. But you might not be able to use them. Then there is the Fat Man. A guy with a superpower who technally is not superpower ed. He is just fat and tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted August 16 Author Report Share Posted August 16 Here is a link to a Heroic Publishing podcast where Dennis and I talk about the sourcebook, future projects and all things heroic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Teriaca Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 Ok. I wonder which villains your clamping at the bit to publish as part of the League of Enimies series. I'm guessing... Dr. Death (who was Doctor Destroyer in Marksman Annual, then renamed Dr. Death. It would be your chance to do a pruned down Doctor Destroyer). King's Gambit (I especially want to see the writeup on King and Rook's Castling ability). Blonde Bombshell (that has to wait for Project Ubermachine). Brother Basklist (when he was created there was no Transformation, so the special effect of the Drain SPD was if drained at or below 0 the victim turned to stone. I assume he will have full blonde Transform now) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted August 18 Author Report Share Posted August 18 (edited) On 8/16/2024 at 8:29 PM, Stanley Teriaca said: Dr. Death (who was Doctor Destroyer in Marksman Annual, then renamed Dr. Death. It would be your chance to do a pruned down Doctor Destroyer). King's Gambit (I especially want to see the writeup on King and Rook's Castling ability). Well Dennis hasn't mentioned them yet. I could always ask😁 Edited August 18 by tiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted August 18 Author Report Share Posted August 18 Update of LOC. Well, first, the alternate cover is available for order at Heroic Publishing. The cover has members of the league no on the original cover. I have character sheets for the various characters, and modifications have been given. I still have to create backgrounds for some characters, but I have some finished. I still need to create the background for the group itself. I have art for some of the characters. The book's layout will be similar to the League of Champions Sourcebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan2448 Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 I just watched this podcast: the potential future projects sound really interesting! A potential supplement detailing the League of Champions' HQ would finally fulfill the plans mentioned by Steve Peterson in an editorial in Eclipe's "Champions" #1 comic book from way back in 1986! A Witchgirls supplement would also be great! I also remain most interested in Champions game stats for Gargoyle. (As an aside, I also really liked Professor Muerte as a villain character!) Good luck! It sounds like a lot of work, potentially. But this podcast also gave me the impression that it would be a 'labor of love, ' which is fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Teriaca Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 Question: Does Hero Publishing have there version of Terror Incorporated? If so AND the group is different enough from your version...well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Teriaca Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 (edited) How sweet. @tiger thinks that Nightwind is the first and only comic book hero with the 'pretend I'm a ghost' gimmick. Someone forget about the cowboy version of the Ghost Rider/Night Rider/Phantom Rider. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_Rider Edited August 21 by Stanley Teriaca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted August 23 Author Report Share Posted August 23 Never said first, unless alcohol was involved. Duke Bushido 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Teriaca Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 42 minutes ago, tiger said: Never said first, unless alcohol was involved. Probally misheard it. Alcohol might of been involved (and I don't drink alcohol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 Don't blame you. I don't drink anymore, either. In fact, I drink a lot _less_! (Great. My kids are almost out of the house, and _now_ the dad jokes kick in.....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted August 24 Author Report Share Posted August 24 23 hours ago, Duke Bushido said: (Great. My kids are almost out of the house, and _now_ the dad jokes kick in.....) Almost.., you funny Duke Bushido 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted September 5 Author Report Share Posted September 5 The League of Champions Sourcebook with alternate cover is now up on ebay and the Heroic Publishing website, for those who would like to pick up a copy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan2448 Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 This thread spurred me to dig out of a closet a 3-ring binder I first assembled about 15 years ago. At that time, I had just discovered that the Champions RPG (which I had enjoyed as a teenager in the mid-1980s) was still being published and that Heroic Publishing was still publishing Champions-related/adjacent comic books. Candidly, I was quite surprised by both revelations. So, enthused and having immediately then bought a bunch of 5e Hero System rulebooks and sourcebooks as well as a large number of Flare and League of Champions back issues published since I'd stopped collecting them circa 1989, I assembled the beginnings of this binder, centered on Champions game stats for the original Guardians/Champions characters, which binder now includes, among other things, copies of: (1) the various Champions RPG stats for the lead Champions characters (and villains) that were in the 1986-1987 "Champions" comic book mini-series published by Eclipse, (2) a profile of the Flare comic book (including an interview with Dennis Mallonee) published by Two Morrows in a 2006 issue of their "Back Issue" magazine, which article includes a reproduction of what is described as the Champions RPG character sheet for Flare as played by her creator (which looks to me like a 2e Champions RPG character sheet), (3) a preview of the "Champions" comic book issue #5 from 1987 published in issue #127 of Amazing Heroes magazine, which preview also includes a one-page advertisement from Heroic Publishing offering a lifetime subscription to everything they ever publish for $1,500. (That's a lot of money, especially back in 1987, and to give to a new/small indie publisher with only a few issues under its belt at that time. I wonder if anyone ever signed up for that?) (4) Several pages from the "League of Champions" #1 comic book published by Innovation in December 1990. This includes a few comic book pages showcasing summaries of each of the main characters and their powers, and then also includes a 2-page text piece written by someone named 'Murray M. Ward' describing, among other things, how Dennis Mallonee has now "cut the last cord with the gaming parent" necessitating the change of the title to "League of Champions." It was surprising to me, on hindsight, that Dennis Mallonee's working relationship with Hero Games apparently lasted only five years. But he has continued to publish the further adventures of these characters, albeit intermittently at times, for nearly 40 years now. (5) a set of 1-page character profiles of the various League of Champions heroes (and other, related characters like Black Enchantress) published in various issues of League of Champions and/or Flare from the 1990s and/or 2000s (I can no longer remember when exactly), (6) character stats for the "Icons" superhero RPG for the Vanguard of Freedom, the pulp-era predecessors to the League of Champions, published in a sourcebook for the Icons RPG published in the 2010s (if memory serves) and written (again, if memory serves) by the late Steve Perrin, (7) Champions game stats for the lead League of Champions heroes from Greg Elkins' original League of Champions sourcebook that he self-published under the Tiger Paw Press imprint a few years ago (which I really liked and enjoyed reading), and, lastly, (8) a few pages from the first issue (or two?) of the "Eternity Smith" comic book circa 1986, which are a multi-page profile of the titular character, including a couple of pages detailing his tech, weapons and armor, as well as another, similar page for his daughter, Skylark Smith; as well as, separately, a profile of the then-upcoming "Eternity Smith" comic book from Renegade, published in a 1986 issue of Amazing Heroes magazine (#98), which profile was written by none other than a young Mark Waid. Looking through this binder again now, more even than any of the details, what impresses me the most is how these characters have endured for over four decades now. I'm also really curious if anyone ever took Heroic up on that Lifetime Subscription for $1,500.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fyre Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 On 9/5/2024 at 3:17 PM, dan2448 said: (2) a profile of the Flare comic book (including an interview with Dennis Mallonee) published by Two Morrows in a 2006 issue of their "Back Issue" magazine, which article includes a reproduction of what is described as the Champions RPG character sheet for Flare as played by her creator (which looks to me like a 2e Champions RPG character sheet), I wonder if they ever resolved Flare's rapid aging problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan2448 Posted September 10 Report Share Posted September 10 On 9/8/2024 at 11:06 PM, Lord Fyre said: I wonder if they ever resolved Flare's rapid aging problem? Here's a bit of insight on that topic from that 2006 issue of "Back Issue" magazine. In it Dennis explains that Flare's original character concept as a Champions RPG PC was that she had obtained her powers as a kid when her mother fed her "super cereal." For the comic book, Dennis himself invented an entirely different back story for her involving former Nazi scientists in South America, etc... As a result, the 'original' Champions character sheet for Flare reproduced in that article makes no mention whatsoever of aging. That said, the character sheet for Flare published in the "Champions" comic books does mention it. Coincidentally, this 2006 article also reproduces a type-written page, which is apparently Dennis' original background for Flare, written by him in preparation for the original comic book mini-series from 1986. And it, of course, gets into all of that ex-Nazi scientific experimentation in detail. Last weekend, I also went back and looked over the issues of "Champions" and "League of Champions" published by Dennis Mallonee himself (and a few by Innovation) from 1987-1994 (-ish). Two things struck me that I thought might also be of interest to some reading this thread. 1. In an editorial in a January 1993 issue, Dennis explains that they are changing the name of the "Marksman" character to "Huntsman," and will be changing "Foxbat" similarly in the near future, because their creator had refused permission to allow Dennis to continue to use those characters going forward. (This, you may recall, was not long after the editorial in "League of Champions" #1 from December 1990, which I referenced above in this thread, wherein a text piece explains that Heroic Publishing had "cut the last ties to the gaming parent" and therefore had to alter the title of the "Champions" comic book to "League of Champions." So it's probably not surprising that, in another editorial in the March 1993 issue, Dennis writes, "The concept of cross-promotion was (and still is) a good idea. Unfortunately, along the way, the distinction between their game and our comic book was garbled. While we were hard at work fashioning a fascinating new comic book universe that, by the way, only incidentally featured several exciting characters based on concepts originally created for a role-playing game..." I can understand why he would've written that in that moment. But I don't think it was entirely accurate, as they story of the genesis of the "Champions" comic book had already been written about in prior issues of "Champions" and "League of Champions" years earlier. As the story goes, it originated when, at a panel about the Champions RPG at the 1985 San Diego Comic Con, a fan asked the panel of the game's creators if Hero Games would ever publish a Champions comic book. Dennis stood up from the audience and, impromptu, volunteered to do so, and then he subsequently had multiple more meetings with Steve and George to agree on an approach. And then, of course, Champions RPG stats were published in many issues of the "Champions" comic book published in the late 1980s, even in many issues published by Dennis himself in 1987-1988, after the Eclipse mini-series. But it does seem clear to me that, at some point, their visions diverged and Dennis did prefer to approach the comic book as its own creative work of his own storytelling featuring many characters and concepts of his own creation, and not to make it a comic book adaptation of the Champions RPG. 2. As I mentioned above, even once Dennis was publishing the "Champions" comic book under his own imprint in 1987-1988, he continued the practice of including Champions RPG stats for various characters regularly. I had forgotten that he had done so. I was also surprised that he re-published game stats for several of the central hero characters, including Flare and Icestar and Rose, maybe just a year or so after they were already published in the Eclipse mini-series. I very briefly juxtaposed those stats, and I saw only very tiny differences in the Flare and Rose stats and no difference that I could discern whatsoever in Icestar's stats. This left me wondering why he decided to do that? But he did publish game stats for many other characters at that time, including for one of my personal favorites among his characters: Sylvia the vampire. But he also published game stats for Mechanon. This puzzled me, because anyone playing Champions would already have game stats for Mechanon, as they were in the Champions rulebook. I didn't bother going back and juxtaposing those stats: maybe they were materially different? Lord Fyre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Teriaca Posted September 11 Report Share Posted September 11 As for the subject of Flair's rapid ageing, may I remind you that most comic books operate on a floating timeline. Heroic Publishing is no different. Beast and Lord Fyre 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 23 hours ago, Stanley Teriaca said: As for the subject of Flair's rapid ageing, may I remind you that most comic books operate on a floating timeline. Heroic Publishing is no different. it is flavor text as the hdc file does not list any suspt or vulner complications now as a GM using a de-aging effect on her would possibly kill her(she looks 28 but is really 16) so reducing her age by 20 yrs would make her a just fertilized zygote Stanley Teriaca 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Teriaca Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 13 minutes ago, Beast said: it is flavor text as the hdc file does not list any suspt or vulner complications now as a GM using a de-aging effect on her would possibly kill her(she looks 28 but is really 16) so reducing her age by 20 yrs would make her a just fertilized zygote Yep. That is a "game effect". And perhaps the only way that comes into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 Quote As for the subject of Flair's rapid ageing, may I remind you that most comic books operate on a floating timeline. Heroic Publishing is no different. Right, Iron Man has gone from a Korean War victim to Vietnam to the now nebulous war recently in the past in the middle east. DC does the same thing, its some war in Corto Maltese. Every character's origin is a floating few years before the current year, no matter when that might happen to be. Lord Fyre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan2448 Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 (edited) 22 hours ago, Christopher R Taylor said: Right, Iron Man has gone from a Korean War victim to Vietnam to the now nebulous war recently in the past in the middle east. DC does the same thing, its some war in Corto Maltese. Every character's origin is a floating few years before the current year, no matter when that might happen to be. A very accurate point, generally. But Iron Man was never a Korean War victim. Originally, it was Vietnam. Edited September 13 by dan2448 Lord Fyre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted September 28 Author Report Share Posted September 28 Here is a link to a new video talking about the next book League of Enemies Here is the link to other interviews from Heroic Publishing \https://www.heroicmultiverse.com/heroicpub/heroicvoice/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Teriaca Posted September 28 Report Share Posted September 28 (edited) Ok. So the LoE are the Suicide Squad then, just from another direction. Don't we have Esper at home (I.e. Champions Villain Volume 3: Solo Enimies)? Edited September 28 by Stanley Teriaca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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