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Originally posted by melessqr

At what point is he no longer Thor? Shouldn't there be a Minimum set of Powers that must be Active for him to remain Thor?

The problem here is that you are looking for 1 power which turns him into Thor. The fact of the matter is that he turns into Thor and then gains access to all the powers. There is no actual power which turns Blake into Thor. That is just a SFX. In the old days we would have done this with Instant Change. In 5E it is just a SFX of how all his powers work.

 

(Of course both Thor and Hulk are Multiforms as the characters have different personalities, powers, and skills but that is neither here not there as far as this dicussion) :)

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Originally posted by melessqr

Wonderful... I've got no problem with Instant powers and OIHID.. but what about the Persistant Powers?

 

Thor's previously mentioned 90 strength... He can change into Thor and activate None of the Persistant Powers tha Make Him Thor. He could be Thor and still have the stats of his Normal form.

 

At what point is he no longer Thor? Shouldn't there be a Minimum set of Powers that must be Active for him to remain Thor?

 

You can choose to use as much STR as you have available when you actually apply your STR. You can have 100 STR and opt to only use 10 of it if you wish.

 

As far as the rest of it, this really falls into the Common Sense bracket. If you dont want to use the abilities of the HID, then why did you pay for them? If you shift into HID, you are saying you want to use the abilities in that form.

 

If you dont want to use your Constant Persistant Powers while in HID, then apply Non-Persistent to all of them for a Limitation value, or put some of them into a Multipower so you can selectively turn them on or off as you wish. Really over complicated, but if you want to split hairs over wether your Armor is turned on in Hero form or not, then there you go.

 

It's called "Only In HERO ID" for a reason -- the HID is the better, more heroic, more capable form. Its not merely a different form, its a superior form. If you want a character that isnt really all that heroic in either form, whats the point of using OIHID?

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Originally posted by melessqr

Wonderful... I've got no problem with Instant powers and OIHID.. but what about the Persistant Powers?

 

Thor's previously mentioned 90 strength... He can change into Thor and activate None of the Persistant Powers tha Make Him Thor. He could be Thor and still have the stats of his Normal form.

 

At what point is he no longer Thor? Shouldn't there be a Minimum set of Powers that must be Active for him to remain Thor?

 

The short answer is "No." There isn't a "minimum" of active powers required because these powers do not make him Thor. All of the "Thor" powers, characteristics and such are embedded in the Archtype that is Thor. When, by SFX, the Character wills himself to become Thor then he has all of the things purchased through OHID. Characteristics are inherent, powers are available for use, etc. He Just has access to all of these goodies that is all. pretty much if you knock out the normal before he changes that is the best way to stop Thor from ever appearing.

 

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All right, let's see if we can lay this out:

 

Let's take the Thor example again. When he's wimpy mortal Don Blake, he has the physical stats of a normal human: unimpressive Strength, low PD and ED, etc. Then through the magic of tapping his hammer, he becomes Thor. In his Thor identity he has massive Strength, CON, PD and ED, etc. All these Characteristics take the OIHID Limitation - they remain accessible to him as long as he remains in his Thor identity. Since Characteristics are Persistent, they remain in effect whether Thor consciously chooses to use them or not. For example, Thor has his superhuman STR constantly, whether or not he chooses to expend END to use it or not, and no matter if he uses 10 STR or 100 STR. Thor retains the Figured Characteristics derived from his STR: PD, REC and STUN.

 

If Ulik the Troll blind-sides Thor with a surprise punch, Thor gets his full PD to resist it even though he's not consciously willing himself to; he also gets to Recover any Stun lost if he was Stunned by the attack, even though he can't choose to do so.

 

Later Thor changes back to Don Blake. All those superhuman Characteristics are now gone; Blake's stats are mortal again. He has normal human durability, and can't exert more than human level Strength no matter how much END he's willing to expend, until he changes back into Thor. If he loses his hammer/walking stick, he can't change back to Thor and gain those benefits until he gets it back. And if Ulik punches Don Blake, Blake is paste. ;)

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Originally posted by Lord Liaden

All right, let's see if we can lay this out:

 

Let's take the Thor example again. When he's wimpy mortal Don Blake, he has the physical stats of a normal human: unimpressive Strength, low PD and ED, etc. Then through the magic of tapping his hammer, he becomes Thor. In his Thor identity he has massive Strength, CON, PD and ED, etc. All these Characteristics take the OIHID Limitation - they remain accessible to him as long as he remains in his Thor identity. Since Characteristics are Persistent, they remain in effect whether Thor consciously chooses to use them or not. For example, Thor has his superhuman STR constantly, whether or not he chooses to expend END to use it or not, and no matter if he uses 10 STR or 100 STR. Thor retains the Figured Characteristics derived from his STR: PD, REC and STUN.

 

If Ulik the Troll blind-sides Thor with a surprise punch, Thor gets his full PD to resist it even though he's not consciously willing himself to; he also gets to Recover any Stun lost if he was Stunned by the attack, even though he can't choose to do so.

 

Later Thor changes back to Don Blake. All those superhuman Characteristics are now gone; Blake's stats are mortal again. He has normal human durability, and can't exert more than human level Strength no matter how much END he's willing to expend, until he changes back into Thor. If he loses his hammer/walking stick, he can't change back to Thor and gain those benefits until he gets it back. And if Ulik punches Don Blake, Blake is paste. ;)

Correct and agreed.
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