zen_hydra Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 The lucky bastards that I call friends, just went to Gencon. While they were there the picked me up copies of the UNTIL Superpowers Database (because I am an intrinsically lazy person), and Dark Champions (because I really loved the last edition of it). Can someone let me know what vigilantes and villains are detailed within DC (especially brand new ones)? Please????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet Pulling out my Gen Con copy... The table of contents lists the following NPCs. The first group is a "PC" group, Libra; the other are villains. Sarge Blade Hammer Knockout Shadow Abaddon Caliber Crossbow Fenris Triggerhappy I'm 150 or so pages in and the book looks very good so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen_hydra Posted August 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet No, Harbinger of Justice!!!??!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Hiemforth Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet Zen Hydra, Dark Champions is a genre book... not a setting book. It's the guide for playing in any modern action game... not one in a particular setting. So it just has example characters. I'd expect The Harbinger to show up in the main Dark Champions setting book: Hudson City: The Urban Abyss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet No Harbinger of Justice that I can find (either in the ToC or Index, which does list other NPCs). I believe Mr. Long told me at the con that including Harbinger's current character sheet would have put the book too far over its page count*. * This conversation may have been completely made up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Taylor Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet Don't have it yet either, but my FLGS expects to get it some time tomorrow afternoon. Yay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen_hydra Posted August 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet Zen Hydra' date=' [i']Dark Champions[/i] is a genre book... not a setting book. It's the guide for playing in any modern action game... not one in a particular setting. So it just has example characters. I'd expect The Harbinger to show up in the main Dark Champions setting book: Hudson City: The Urban Abyss. In the original DC (which was essentially a genre book) the Harbinger was included as an example of a very powerful (point-wise) street-level character, and he was pretty much the iconic Dark Champions vigilante. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet HoJ on the cover but not inside. Isnt' that worthy of some kind of false advertising class-action suit that can keep me in cheetohs and porn at least through the end of the week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Hiemforth Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet In the original DC (which was essentially a genre book) the Harbinger was included as an example of a very powerful (point-wise) street-level character' date=' and he was pretty much [i']the[/i] iconic Dark Champions vigilante.Yes, I'm aware of that. However, under DoJ, Hero Games has been mcuh clearer about the dividing line between genre books and setting books. The fact that Harbinger wasn't in Dark Champions doesn't mean he won't show up, I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Long Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet The Harbinger will show up in the Hudson City book, have no fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BishopofB&W Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet My FLGS called yesterday to tell me they have it in. I got one on hold to pick up tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KA. Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet HoJ on the cover but not inside. Isnt' that worthy of some kind of false advertising class-action suit that can keep me in cheetohs and porn at least through the end of the week? If you are asking me, the answer would be no, although I do find it a little annoying, even with Derek's quite reasonable explanation. However, giving it a little thought, HOJo does belong in the setting book, and if he showed up both places, someone would have a legitimate gripe about "reprinting the same material in two different books". KA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet Well, I look at it this way: Let's say DC comics put out an RPG and slapped a picture of superman on the cover. Then when you discover that there are no stats for him inside because the iconic characters are being saved for another book. I wouldn't expect them to leave him off the cover as he's a serious selling point for the system. Now the HoJ may not be as iconic, but he is the bad seed from which the darkness grew. I think it's fine. Especially if he's ALSO on the Hudson City book. Then he's representative of the "dark champions line" of books. I just wanted to tease someone was all. But I'll accept whatever you say, KA. You're the one named after an offensive manuever for which I have no resistant defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KA. Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet Well, I look at it this way: Let's say DC comics put out an RPG and slapped a picture of superman on the cover. Then when you discover that there are no stats for him inside because the iconic characters are being saved for another book. I wouldn't expect them to leave him off the cover as he's a serious selling point for the system. Now the HoJ may not be as iconic, but he is the bad seed from which the darkness grew. I think it's fine. Especially if he's ALSO on the Hudson City book. Then he's representative of the "dark champions line" of books. I just wanted to tease someone was all. But I'll accept whatever you say, KA. You're the one named after an offensive manuever for which I have no resistant defense. But! But! I only use my powers for good! Well, good as I see it . . . And I would never use them to intimidate someone into listening to my opinion! Unless I really believed in my opinion, and they weren't listening to it, and it was something really important . . . And my name is just based on my initials! Of course my avatar is a menacing guy with a pair of .45's . . . Hey, look over there! ----> KA. disappears into the night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet And my name is just based on my initials! Your parents named you Killing Attack? That's so cool! I'm thinking if I have a little girl she'll be Phase. As for a boy, I'm stuck between Gadgeteer and Knockback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KA. Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet Your parents named you Killing Attack? That's so cool! I'm thinking if I have a little girl she'll be Phase. As for a boy, I'm stuck between Gadgeteer and Knockback. They could play with my twins, OCV and DCV. KA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theron Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet I picked one up at the FLGS in Houston at lunch. Pretty spiffy looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Taylor Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet Don't have it yet either' date=' but my FLGS expects to get it some time tomorrow afternoon. Yay![/quote'] Which ended up not happening... the shipment was delayed for some reason. But I finally actually got it yesterday. It looks great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Long Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet the shipment was delayed for some reason Hmmm. Probably the Russian Mafia. Or maybe one of those oh-so-devious Hudson City crimelords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Taylor Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet Hmmm. Probably the Russian Mafia. Or maybe one of those oh-so-devious Hudson City crimelords. Well according to what the distributor told my FLGS owner, it was held up by UK customs for some reason. Personally I think they just couldn't wait to get their hands on a copy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Long Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet it was held up by UK customs for some reason Definitely the Russian Mafia, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Taylor Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 Re: Don't have it yet Definitely the Russian Mafia' date=' then. [/quote'] Hmmm, maybe that would explain why a whole section between pages 295 and 296 has been blacked out in my copy of DC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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