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Actually' date=' isn't the hinted premise that she in fact is the daughter of Superman and Wonder Woman (from the last scene where you actually get to see the parents)?[/quote']

That's part of the joke. A lot of the other jokes make sense when you reali8ze the first film was originally planned to be an episodce of the satiric hentai OVA series Cream Lemon. yes, the original script for Project A-ko was openly pornographic. C-ko, for all her annoying qulaities, has the Essence of Desribaility. EVERYONE wants her. To the aliens she is their Beloved Princess. B-ko fantasises about her eveyr time she pleasures herself, and is determined to make her hers in every sense imaginable. Kei, a guy so ahndsome that he even makes B-ko resonsider her orientiation, also wants to take C-ko into the sack. C-ko is Ayumi-sensei's famorite student despite the fact that she has the intellect of a rather uninformed kindergartner.

 

Poor A-ko, on the other hand, has to put up with her heroine-worship and eat her cooking.

 

However, at the very, very end of the film series we see a more grown-=up C-ko who is really cute, not cute-to-the-point-of-parody, and apparently much more emotionally mature as well. It seems likely that C-ko and A-ko will end up as a true couple after that, and C-ko expresses the desire for everyone to put aside their rivalries and become friends, which means that even A-ko and B-ko could reconcile.

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I liked the first movie far more than the second, but the SAC more. I love the politics and philosophy they draw up, but in the second there were just too many points where I thought to myself "just shoot someone already!!!!"

The series I think help flush out the support cast far better than in the movies.

The epsidoe of 2nd Gig where the major finds that shop had me nearly in tears. It may have been setting up a story point, but it was to my mind incredibly moving -- a tale of sorrow and loss for the ages.

 

Have you seen the Tachikoma-kun omakes for SAC? Although they are mostly comic, they are ina way sad too. The Tachikoma really do ahve feelings, needs and desires, yet they are essentially disposable weapons. Are they any less worthy than the heavily-cyberneticized beings referred to as "humanity" in that series? Is a being any less of a being because it was manufactured rather than born?

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Are they any less worthy than the heavily-cyberneticized beings referred to as "humanity" in that series? Is a being any less of a being because it was manufactured rather than born?

 

Welcome to the replicated humans of Kazei 5.

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However' date=' at the very, very end of the film series we see a more grown-=up C-ko who is [i']really[/i] cute, not cute-to-the-point-of-parody, and apparently much more emotionally mature as well. It seems likely that C-ko and A-ko will end up as a true couple after that, and C-ko expresses the desire for everyone to put aside their rivalries and become friends, which means that even A-ko and B-ko could reconcile.

 

I never saw C-ko and A-ko becoming a "true couple" in a romantic/sexual sense. A-ko obviously has a liking for guys (at least in the alter films) and C-ko is so childish to have zero-sexual inclination that I can tell.

 

A-ko & B-ko on the other hand....

 

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Actually' date=' isn't the hinted premise that she in fact is the daughter of Superman and Wonder Woman (from the last scene where you actually get to see the parents)?[/quote']

 

Actually, if you frame-by-frame at the every end of Project A-Ko you see mom (who looks like Linda Carter as Diana Prince) pull a blue outfit with the edge of a big red "S" out of the laundry, while dad looks over the top of the Daily Planet.

 

And yes, as per my previous comment, B-ko's dad does remind me of Tony Stark, right down to the mustache and ownership of a huge industrial concern.

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Actually' date=' if you frame-by-frame at the every end of [i']Project A-Ko[/i] you see mom (who looks like Linda Carter as Diana Prince) pull a blue outfit with the edge of a big red "S" out of the laundry, while dad looks over the top of the Daily Planet.

 

And yes, as per my previous comment, B-ko's dad does remind me of Tony Stark, right down to the mustache and ownership of a huge industrial concern.

You'd never see Tony Stark put on a swimsuit like that, though, at least not on camera. Apparentrly Daitokuji-san is the sort of doting father that scares a lot of people, and there is a throwaway gag in which he and B-ko are framed more like lovers than like father and daughter.

 

If you think about Project A-ko too hard, you will go mad. Utterly, completely mad.

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I never saw C-ko and A-ko becoming a "true couple" in a romantic/sexual sense. A-ko obviously has a liking for guys (at least in the alter films) and C-ko is so childish to have zero-sexual inclination that I can tell.

 

A-ko & B-ko on the other hand....

 

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You must be one of those people who think the best couple in the history of American animation is Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy.

 

Although getting Harley out of that relationship with the Joker would do her a world of good..... hmmm......

 

Isn't ironic that the least dysfunctional couple in all of animation is Sailors Uranus and Neptune? Compared to them, Usagi and Mamoru are amateurs at this love thing.

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You must be one of those people who think the best couple in the history of American animation is Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy.

 

Considering I never watched B:ATS, I never really cared much one way or the other.

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Isn't ironic that the least dysfunctional couple in all of animation is Sailors Uranus and Neptune? Compared to them' date=' Usagi and Mamoru are amateurs at this love thing.[/quote']

 

Acualy, if you think of it, Usagi and Mamoru ARE amateurs. I mean, in there past life, at there most sereous moment in there relationship, thay were killed (Prince Endymon, Murdered by Queen Berly, with Princess Serenity jumping into the beam to die with her prince).

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There is one phrase that both Usagi and her cat have obviously thought at one point, as a consequence of magical tiem travel:

 

"She's my what?!?"

 

which implies that sometime in the future both of them will either a.) finally get it right or b.) forget their protection. (when i was involved with the AVA community I wrote a script for someone in which Artemis proposed a romantic night out: "You, me, a dead fish. It'll be perfect." Ah, sapient feline live.)

 

By the way, there's a nice little riff on the magical-girl paradigm in the new series Ask Dr. Rin! which I thought was amusing. A middle-school girl with the power of Feng Shui secretly runs a website to give advice, but can't advise herself properly. Strangely enough, her castings are alwasy right, but in her case they often work in unexpected ways. Unfortunately for her, someone with their own mysic powers is trying to get at her -- and seems willing to kill anyone who gets in his way. So the comic premise (mystcially powerful girl who is inept in her own life) is crossed with a more serious adventure saga.

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Have you seen the Tachikoma-kun omakes for SAC? Although they are mostly comic, they are ina way sad too. The Tachikoma really do ahve feelings, needs and desires, yet they are essentially disposable weapons. Are they any less worthy than the heavily-cyberneticized beings referred to as "humanity" in that series? Is a being any less of a being because it was manufactured rather than born?

True, but they do serve a higher purpose of introducing the question of who actually has ghosts in the age where organic and inorganic are freely traded. They themselves, I believe, resolve that they do indeed have ghosts and not just developed feelings. They are never really just thrown at the enemy, they actually are used quite tactically but are expected to be heavier in the firefight due to their armoring and nimbleness. I would think that any person equally powerful would be used the same though yes, the big difference is that few feel remorse when they get hit. I do wonder if it also had any correlation to hired mercenaries and how they may be considered 'disposable'.

 

One thing I must have missed...when they were taken away, was it ever explained why they were brought back? Were they 'fixed'?

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However, at the very, very end of the film series we see a more grown-=up C-ko who is really cute, not cute-to-the-point-of-parody, and apparently much more emotionally mature as well. It seems likely that C-ko and A-ko will end up as a true couple after that, and C-ko expresses the desire for everyone to put aside their rivalries and become friends, which means that even A-ko and B-ko could reconcile.

 

Hrm, I really never got the feel that A/C-Ko were a couple. C-Ko, while having the "Essence of Desribaility" also has the "Essence Of Naitivity/Innocence". Hers is much more of a big sister/best friend worship at most. I think A-Ko's lack of interest in boys merely comes from no time between C-Ko's need for attention and B-Ko's rampages.

 

Related, Blue/Gray was a pretty interesting twist on the 3 characters.

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True, but they do serve a higher purpose of introducing the question of who actually has ghosts in the age where organic and inorganic are freely traded. They themselves, I believe, resolve that they do indeed have ghosts and not just developed feelings. They are never really just thrown at the enemy, they actually are used quite tactically but are expected to be heavier in the firefight due to their armoring and nimbleness. I would think that any person equally powerful would be used the same though yes, the big difference is that few feel remorse when they get hit. I do wonder if it also had any correlation to hired mercenaries and how they may be considered 'disposable'.

 

One thing I must have missed...when they were taken away, was it ever explained why they were brought back? Were they 'fixed'?

One thing that is lost in the translation is that when the Tachiokoa return at the start of 2nd Gig, they introduce themselves with the Japanese word that is used when meeting someone for the first time, implying that the government had wpied their memories. Batou in particular took that very hard, and the reaction of the viewers I talked to was the kind of horror you egt when reading about someone doing something really emotionally nasty to soemone.

 

The implication is that sentient life in geenral has little to no meaning to the people who employ Section 9 and the society they protect. the tragedy of Major Kusanagi is that she often finds herself fighting on behalf of people who are unworthy fo her protection, both in terms of capability and in terms of morality.

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Hrm, I really never got the feel that A/C-Ko were a couple. C-Ko, while having the "Essence of Desribaility" also has the "Essence Of Naitivity/Innocence". Hers is much more of a big sister/best friend worship at most. I think A-Ko's lack of interest in boys merely comes from no time between C-Ko's need for attention and B-Ko's rampages.

 

Related, Blue/Gray was a pretty interesting twist on the 3 characters.

Reminds me of an interesting cultural question that might come up in some anime-related games.

 

One of the hot shows on the current fansub scene is Honey & Clover, a comedy drama set at University. The female lead is hegu-chan, a frresman art prodigy who is, in all other respect completely childlike in appearance and perosnality. She is even about as tall as a pre-pubescent girl. Here's the kicker -- the girl is actually eighteen years old. Yet if you put her and a fifth-grader side by side and dressed them the same way, you could not tell which was older.

 

The question is this: at least one of the male characters is in love with Hegu. Does that make him a pedophile?

 

(Actual, subsantial age differences pose another cultural problem for American anime fans. Characters like Kaho Mizuki and Namura-sensei are much more despised by American fans than Japanese fans. Of course, eevryone despises Kimura, but he's such a piece of work that you're supposed to hate him.)

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The question is this: at least one of the male characters is in love with Hegu. Does that make him a pedophile?)

 

Is it just her, and any girl that looks like her?

 

In other words, if he is turned on by women/girls who all look to be 5th graders, then yes. But if he's fallen for her due to being around her in college, but otherwise likes women who look 18+, then no.

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Is it just her' date=' and any girl that looks like her?[/quote']

 

Just her. Hegu-chan has a great gift and a buetiful spirit. She just looks like a child, and sometimes acts like one.

 

In other words, if he is turned on by women/girls who all look to be 5th graders, then yes. But if he's fallen for her due to being around here in college, but otherwise likes women who look 18+, then no.

This coulkd pose problems down the road, as Hegu has a cousin who is a teacher at that school and who still thinks of her as a vulnerable child. Much like how I, as an older brother, had a hard time accepting that my little sister Alida had grown up, even when she was a teenager (and, to put it bluntly, a knockout).

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You'd never see Tony Stark put on a swimsuit like that, though, at least not on camera. Apparentrly Daitokuji-san is the sort of doting father that scares a lot of people, and there is a throwaway gag in which he and B-ko are framed more like lovers than like father and daughter.

 

If you think about Project A-ko too hard, you will go mad. Utterly, completely mad.

 

 

Just like trying to apply logic to the plot of a Hollywood movie will ultimately

get your ticket to ride the Crazy Train punched by the conductor.

 

 

Major Tom :D

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Just like trying to apply logic to the plot of a Hollywood movie will ultimately get your ticket to ride the Crazy Train punched by the conductor.

 

 

Major Tom :D

How mad will you go from over-analyzing David Bowie lyrics? And isn't it odd that the first four letters of the word analysis happened to turn out to be what they were?

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How mad will you go from over-analyzing David Bowie lyrics? And isn't it odd that the first four letters of the word analysis happened to turn out to be what they were?

 

 

Who said anything about over-analyzing David Bowie lyrics?? The last I heard,

Crazy Train was an Ozzy Osbourne song.

 

 

Major Tom :confused:

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Giant Robo is worthy of a recommendation here. The Experts of Justice and the Magnificent Ten are some of the greatest superheroes and supervillains respectively in any medium. They just ooze style and class, even the villains. Especially the villains.

 

While it does have giant robots in it, they're far from the focus of the series. And for that matter, there are no underage schoolgirls in uniforms either.

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Giant Robo is worthy of a recommendation here. The Experts of Justice and the Magnificent Ten are some of the greatest superheroes and supervillains respectively in any medium. They just ooze style and class, even the villains. Especially the villains.

 

While it does have giant robots in it, they're far from the focus of the series. And for that matter, there are no underage schoolgirls in uniforms either.

Along those lines, there's The Big O, whose look seemed to be openly modeled on that of Batman: TAS. Whikle Giant Robo is, for the msot part, high-class adventure, The Big O attempted to do seomthing ore serious in its concepts (beyond a ceretain point nobody has a past, and Roger Smith is trying to figure out why).

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I'm sorry, but I'm a purist when it comes to my magical girl shows. The main reason I haven't seen any Tokyo Mew mew is that it is not available here in its original form. American Sailor Moon, Cardcaprots, and whatever they are going to do to Ojamaho Doremi tend to get my goat faster than any other topic you can mention, even though I have no objection to dubs that do not do substantial aletrations in setting, location, theme or content.

 

Idol/actress is a popular cover for magical girls, actually. In the new live-action Pretty Guaridan Sailor Moon, Minako-chan actually is a superstar idol (a status she only aspires to in the anime) in addition to being the mysterious superheroine Sailor V. Apparently something really bad happens to her near the end of the series, but I haven't seen that far.

 

Watching a live-action Sailor Moon with a blonde wig on the heroine form only and Power Rangers-level visual effects can be very odd. But in a sense it reutrns the franchise to its roots, as Naoko Takeuchi was actually attempting to combine the sensisbilties of the magical girl series previous with those of sentai. So PGSM is a throwback, somewhat updated to 2004, to what she originally had in mind.

Saw the clips not the whole series.

BTW as for Ojamaho Doremi,it's being imported as Magical Doremiwhich will premere this fall in 4Kids TV.:rolleyes:

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Saw the clips not the whole series.

BTW as for Ojamaho Doremi,it's being imported as Magical Doremiwhich will premere this fall in 4Kids TV.:rolleyes:

 

 

Judging from the preview episode, Doremi is less viciously cut than Mew Mew, but then it's aimed at a younger crowd. While the name changes grate, a nice touch is that the magic shop is now named after all three girls, rather than just the leader.

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