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I pick The X Men. The only thing "uncanny" about them is how they accomplish anything with all the self centered whining, intrigues and backstabbing they are engaged in. From Cyclops' pouting diffidence, Storm's arrogance, Wolverine's homicidal insanity, Professor Xavier's apparant ineptitude for all his power, and countless angsty teen mutants of varying stripes, the X men have never, in twenty five years, struck me as heroic. The Justice League (the real and original good one) or the Avengers (before they were struck by the insanity ray) need to fly down and open up a warehouse full of "whupass" on the X Men.:mad:

 

That was rather cathartic.:D

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the X men have never' date=' in twenty five years, struck me as heroic. [/quote']

 

Let's see... I stopped reading X-Men in 79, or 26 years ago.

 

I wonder if the say thing ticked us off :)

 

When it comes right down to it, the only run of the X-Men I thought worth having was Adams although the first couple dozen New Uncanny X-Men after #96 was ok and introduced some interesting character concepts.

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I pick The X Men. The only thing "uncanny" about them is how they accomplish anything with all the self centered whining, intrigues and backstabbing they are engaged in. From Cyclops' pouting diffidence, Storm's arrogance, Wolverine's homicidal insanity, Professor Xavier's apparant ineptitude for all his power, and countless angsty teen mutants of varying stripes, the X men have never, in twenty five years, struck me as heroic. The Justice League (the real and original good one) or the Avengers (before they were struck by the insanity ray) need to fly down and open up a warehouse full of "whupass" on the X Men.:mad:

 

That was rather cathartic.:D

 

Just remember the Marvel food chain.

 

If the Xmen can't beat it/them Spider man can. (Yes spider man is good enough to take down an X Men team!) On that note get the Xmen spanked good by Spidey as he'd be funnier about kicking all thier buts.

 

If Spidey can't take them down, call the Avengers.

 

If the Avengers can't get it done, call the Fantastic Four.

 

If the Fantastic Four can't get it done, wait for the universe to reset.

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In truth, the big problem with the X-Men is that they're really not suited to be in the Marvel Universe. The Marvel Universe was a proto-Bronze universe from the beginning (or at least Stan Lee's kicking off what we know now as the Marvel Universe). The concept of the X-Men came from a science fiction book, or a couple of them.

 

Most superhero teams are ultimately about preserving the status quo from various threats. The X-Men are one of the exceptions. They were all about changing the status quo for the better, and built into their fundamental concept was the idea of the human race changing and evolving into a higher species, homo sapiens superior, mutants.

 

The problem with the X-Men is that the Marvel Universe to some extent remains a status quo universe, somewhat different than our own in some areas but ultimately familiar to everyone. All of the fantastic technology that Reed Richards and Tony Stark invents never fundamentally changes the world at all. For all that people of Earth know about alien worlds and other dimensions nothing ever really happens because of it.

 

As a result, the X-Men who are all about dealing with change and evolution and so on, are stuck in a universe that doesn't fundamentally allow it. They're stuck with nothing ever improving, nothing ever changing, for better or for worse. The threat of a serious mutant pogrom can't happen, because it would screw up the rest of the universe and they can't really make any progress anywhere because again it would sort of screw things up. Only in alternate timelines is anything interesting allowed to happen. The X-Men really belong in their own universe which is allowed to deviate significantly from our own universe due to the existance of the x-factor, and where more or less all superpowers derive from the x-factor gene complex.

 

And frankly I don't see the infighting in the X-Men as being all that much worse than what goes on in the Avengers. From what happened to Pym to what happened to the Scarlett Witch and the Vision, to what is going on now in the Avengers, I think they've lost a lot of their heroic advantage. The main advantage is the Avengers tend not to angst, though Spiderman is the past grandmaster of angst.

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Let's see... I stopped reading X-Men in 79, or 26 years ago.

 

I wonder if the say thing ticked us off :)

 

When it comes right down to it, the only run of the X-Men I thought worth having was Adams although the first couple dozen New Uncanny X-Men after #96 was ok and introduced some interesting character concepts.

 

I stopped reading shortly after the Claremont/Byrne/Austin team broke up. Although I did not like how Byrne treated Nightcrawler, and from everything I have read, he was a big fan of Wolverine and tried to make him a bigger part of the story...so maybe it's his fault!

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I stopped reading shortly after the Claremont/Byrne/Austin team broke up. Although I did not like how Byrne treated Nightcrawler' date=' and from everything I have read, he was a big fan of Wolverine and tried to make him a bigger part of the story...so maybe it's his fault![/quote']

Out of curiousity, what did Byrne do to Nightcrawler? I mean I know of his desecrations of other characters, but this is a new one for me.

 

Byrne and Claremont are to me people who need to be slapped around a bit.

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The X-Men exist in their own little reality. Where everyone hates them. They are a big "After School Special". of course they could never succeed in their mission to bring humans and mutants together, becasue they already were. The mutants are still human, but many want to be separate. So the X-Men spent all their time fighting a secret war against other mutants, never stepping into the spotlight save for to lecture the rest of the world about their biases and prejudices, even though it seems that each and every mutant feels they are the next step in evolution and the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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The mutants are still human' date=' but many want to be separate. So the X-Men spent all their time fighting a secret war against other mutants, never stepping into the spotlight save for to lecture the rest of the world about their biases and prejudices, even though it seems that each and every mutant feels they are the next step in evolution and the greatest thing since sliced bread.[/quote']

 

Ain't that the truth. Of course, the mutants are vastly cooler than boring old humanity, so it's okay for them to preach racial separatism.

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If the Xmen can't beat it/them Spider man can. (Yes spider man is good enough to take down an X Men team!)

 

Very true-- and a staggeringly effective trouncer of X-men he is indeed!

 

Forgive me for not knowing much about comic books; I wasn't into them as a kid, and so I never got into them as an adult (I have been haunting this thread and others to learn more about them so as to better understand some of the conversations on this board), but this one I saw happen some years back.

 

I was waiting to pick up my nephew from Scouts and he had left a comic book in my saddlebags. To pass the time, I read it. I don't remember what it was, but it was full of super-heroes and villains all packed into a dome on some planet for reasons I don't remember. I _do_ remember that some bad guy was having words with the X-men's leader (Doctor X?-- the guy in the wheelchair) and Spiderman overheard it and decided to warn the other heroes.

 

All the X-men were there, and they all leapt into battle to stop him. I think the entire 'battle' lasted four panels. Spidey went through them like some kind of sweeping Move-By. He didn't even slow down, and all the Xes were sudued.

 

Even if you never read comics, you just like Spiderman. It made me all warm and fuzzy.:D

 

 

Duke

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While I haven't read much with many of these characters in years...

 

Wolverine - you know, I think the original *purpose* of Wolverine was to get slapped around. I mean, he's perfectly set up to be the ultimate Worf - unbreakable bones, healing factor - you can zap him, bash him, throw him through walls to show how tough and dangerous the villains are, without real lasting harm. He can fulfill that purpose and be reasonable competent, including being sneaky enough to find the villains on his own and get creamed, whereupon the villains will put him in some very icky deathtrap, and X-men will arrive to rescue him (probably part way through the deathtrap), Wolvie will heal and join team to finish off villains. Ta dah, that's how I think he should have been treated, not as uber-super macho ninja cool dude. ;)

 

Punisher - he's a guy. With guns. Even in his own title, he should never show up someone like Daredevil or Spider-Man. The best he should manage is to delay them enough to get away. On a good day. When Spidey has a cold.

 

Cable, Gambit, Shatterstar, Bishop, et al - DEATHY DEATH DEATH!!!! :idjit: These are the sort of folks that the X-men should have traded away to the Brood in exchange for leaving Earth alone.

 

Batman, Deathstroke - I like these guys, at least I did back in the day, but they've gone too far into "super-competent/dumbass" mode. Bats especially - one minute he's taking down Darkseid, next minute he's having trouble with two hoods in an alleyway. I really enjoyed Batman in his own titles back before Knightfall, when he was spending time as, you know, Batman - fighting street crime, the mob, killers, etc.

 

Lobo - just...worthless. He should be smacked down by Ambush Bug. While Ambush bug is literally blindfolded with one arm behind his back.

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Most superhero teams are ultimately about preserving the status quo from various threats. The X-Men are one of the exceptions. They were all about changing the status quo for the better, and built into their fundamental concept was the idea of the human race changing and evolving into a higher species, homo sapiens superior, mutants.

 

The problem with the X-Men is that the Marvel Universe to some extent remains a status quo universe, somewhat different than our own in some areas but ultimately familiar to everyone.

That is an excellent summation, MfH...but you'll have to wait a week or so before I can rep you for it, because I hit you with the rep stick just a couple of days ago. :(

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I don't remember what it was, but it was full of super-heroes and villains all packed into a dome on some planet for reasons I don't remember. I _do_ remember that some bad guy was having words with the X-men's leader (Doctor X?-- the guy in the wheelchair) and Spiderman overheard it and decided to warn the other heroes.

 

All the X-men were there, and they all leapt into battle to stop him. I think the entire 'battle' lasted four panels. Spidey went through them like some kind of sweeping Move-By. He didn't even slow down, and all the Xes were sudued.

Early part of the Secret Wars. And in the end, Professor X put the lock-down on Spider-Man, mentally. It seems you can't out-agile telepathy. :(

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Here's my list:

1) Doomsday/Bane/Other Stupid Characters specifically created to radically alter character for no apparent reason - Please take a number for your beating - No you don't get to jump to the head of the line

2) Wolverine/Punisher/Lobo/Any other unstoppable killing machine - gee, how many times do you have to tell me he's the best at whatever - its like reading a Madden broadcast

3) The Authority - although soliloquoies take zero time - for you guys I am going to make an exception

4) Superman - gee, I have a whole variety of powers, but I'll just fight to the death hand to hand with a one trick villain

5) Batman - I am loner and don't work well with teams - well except little boys I dress in bright colors - it works so well when we hide in shadows

I'm sure I can think of others later.

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Out of curiousity, what did Byrne do to Nightcrawler? I mean I know of his desecrations of other characters, but this is a new one for me.

 

Byrne and Claremont are to me people who need to be slapped around a bit.

 

In an interview, he admitting to not really liking Nightcrawler that much and tried to take focus away from him. He also used him for comic relief. An example of that is in one of the last issues he did for Xmen. I can't remember the issue number, but its the one w/Wendigo.

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So much Batman/Wolverine hatred.

I don't hate either of them.

 

Batman was someone who, as teen, seemed a little silly to me. But I grew to like him more as I got older. Wolverine was someone I liked that "k3wl! knives from his hands!" way that kids often do, and I still like him more out of sentimentality.

 

In the three days I've been thinking about this idea of "who I'd like to see smacked around", I still can't come up with a front runner, aside from the very smug Authority. Majestic almost got a vote. There are times where Thor needed it, but seeing as how he's currently dead in the continuity, not right now. And Hercules always needs it, but that's part of his charm.

 

I'd like to request that Wonder Woman take a whoopin'. By another girl. The liquid medium in which this happens is author's choice.

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I have never taken an instant dislike to a comic book character, except in one case. DC's current Manhunter, Kate Spencer. I'd like to see her get pwned by just about anyone. Superman, who'd lecture her on responsibility and heroic ideals. Batman, who'd lecture her about thinking before acting and about not killing. Any previous Manhunter (even the crappy Zero Hour one) for making the name look bad.

 

I don't know what it is about this character that rubs me the wrong way, but it does. I apologize if my opinion upsets any fans.

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Most characters that many people hate aren't that entirely bad. There is something about Wolverine beyond all the crap that the fanboys get worked up over. Do I really have to explain the potential in a character that's trying to overcome his own murderous, bestial impulses, who often behaves heroically in spite of himself?

 

But that's not the Wolverine they're writing, most of the time, it seems.

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Here's my top 5...

 

5) The entire Rob Liefield scripted cast of X-Force (yes, Cable too - arrgh that was horrible writing)

4) Batman, for screwing up the JLA too many times now ("World's Greatest Detective My Left #$@")

3) Thor (I get an image of him doing the 'Charlie's Angels' hair toss from Shreck 2, and all the 'thees' & 'thous'? Honestly! Get a haircut and a diction coach)

2) Iron Man (for disbanding the Avengers, then reforming them with it's current lamentable membership - "Sweet Christmas! Iron Man just got beat down!")

1) Wolverine (Soooooo irritating. Find a woman who's not married, engaged, or mentally challenged already, Eh!)

Re your comment on Woverine. In the Marvel or any other comic book universe these days ? Good luck !

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The thing about Wolverine is that it's okay if he gets slapped around. The more powerful his regeneration, the more you can do to him. No need to worry about "friendly fire" either.

 

Jack from Lost really pisses me off. If I read more comics, I could hate people from that medium too. But from what I've read on boards, the Authority could use a good smackdown.

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Here's my list along with the people I want to do the whupping:

 

1. Batman (Nightwing, Bronze Tiger, or Mr. Terrific II)

2. Wolverine (Nightcrawler or Spiderman)

3. Sabertooth (Black Panther)

4. Cable (Cyclopse)

5. Deathstroke the Terminator (Aquaman)

6. Hal Jordan (John Stewart)

7. Gambit (Longshot, actually)

8. Venom (Spiderman or The Beast)

9. Thor (Hercules)

10. Joker (Robin)

11. Emma Frost (Kitty Pryde, Jean Grey)

12. Hulk (Thing)

13. Blob (Colossus)

14. Ultron (Hank Pym)

15. Doomsday (Captain Marvel)

16. Taskmaster (Batroc)

17. Punisher (Daredevil)

18. Gladiator (Hyperion, Thor, or Hercules)

 

That's all i can think of now...

 

 

I really like a lot of these. However, part of me thinks that the joker should simply be killed resisting arrest by some rookie member of the Gotham PD.

 

Having the Black Panther beat on Sabertooth is pretty good. Though it might be more fun if either Kitty Pryde or NIghtcrawler did it. Somebody he would find REALLY humiliating. Maybe the Power Pack.

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I always liked this comment from a thread a long time ago:

 

 

that quote reminds me of something from "Illegal Aliens"

 

 

The nasty cockroach aliens are trying to figure out how to escape from the containment vessel in which they are being questioned.

 

 

They have had to start predicating their plans on "If Everyone else on the Planet drops dead and we gain super powers..."

 

OR something like that. :eg::D

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So how many people were overjoyed when Wolverine got one punched through a wall by an eleven year old in Runaways?

 

"Only 198 mutants left in the world and she hadda be one of em."

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Batman by Wally West

 

I remember reading one comic where Batman shows up at the garage Wally works at and does the typical Batman thing-do what I say bacause I'm the Batgod, poking Wally in the chest as he does. Wally says in response, I'll think about it and oh, you only touched me because I let you. I always thought that was cool. Batman needs a good high speed #%@-whooping.

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