Nolgroth Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? Lord of the Rings is a great fantasy movie trilogy. It is not Lord of the Rings so much as fanfic brought to life. If I try to compare the movies to the books, I get really ticked off. The whole Aragorn being an anti-Gondor freak, the fact that Gandalf did not want to go through Moria. Those two motivations were directly contrary to the books and they didn't need to be. In Aragorn's case, he wanted, longed to go back to Gondor and take up the good fight. It was only his perceived need with the Fellowship that kept him from doing so. Gandalf wanted to go through Moria, not knowing that the Balrog had taken up residence. I'm not sure it would have mattered if he did know. The need for haste was just too strong in his motivation, especially after the failed attempt to go over the mountains. Instead we get this whole reluctant hero crap from Aragorn and fear of the Balrog from Gandalf. Where was the need to change that part of the story because I saw absolutely no reason that the original motivations could not have stayed. And those are just two of the many reasons that the movies can never truly be the film adaptation of Lord of the Rings that do the books justice. They are wonderful films to watch, but in the end, they are simply too different at the fundamental things to truly represent the books. And no, I don't need Tom Bombadil in the movie either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted October 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? Lord of the Rings is a great fantasy movie trilogy. It is not Lord of the Rings so much as fanfic brought to life. If I try to compare the movies to the books, I get really ticked off. The whole Aragorn being an anti-Gondor freak, the fact that Gandalf did not want to go through Moria. Those two motivations were directly contrary to the books and they didn't need to be. In Aragorn's case, he wanted, longed to go back to Gondor and take up the good fight. It was only his perceived need with the Fellowship that kept him from doing so. Gandalf wanted to go through Moria, not knowing that the Balrog had taken up residence. I'm not sure it would have mattered if he did know. The need for haste was just too strong in his motivation, especially after the failed attempt to go over the mountains. Instead we get this whole reluctant hero crap from Aragorn and fear of the Balrog from Gandalf. Where was the need to change that part of the story because I saw absolutely no reason that the original motivations could not have stayed. And those are just two of the many reasons that the movies can never truly be the film adaptation of Lord of the Rings that do the books justice. They are wonderful films to watch, but in the end, they are simply too different at the fundamental things to truly represent the books. And no, I don't need Tom Bombadil in the movie either. While I agree that the films doesn't represent the film of the book, they aren't bad as a film series in there own right. There area few things I wish hadn't been changed or added (elves at Helms Deep for one), I also agree with the assessment made in the behind the scenes -- as written, LOTR is unfilmable. Any attempt to remake the LOTR series will have to take this into account. For example, the Council of Elrond is 50k words of people talking. And if filmed as written, you'd end up watching not only The Hobbit, but everything that had happened in Fellowship all over again! I will also say that reading Band of Brothers, then watching it, was a real eye-opener as to how someone might adapt a written work to film and what has to be done to go from telling to showing. So my frustrations with LOTR the films have been somewhat abated. PS: However, nothing excuses Gimli being the comic relief or Legolas surfing on a shield. Or having the Ents initially refuse to fight Saruman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolgroth Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? While I agree that the films doesn't represent the film of the book' date=' they aren't bad as a film series in there own right. There area few things I wish hadn't been changed or added (elves at Helms Deep for one), I also agree with the assessment made in the behind the scenes -- as written, LOTR is unfilmable. Any attempt to remake the LOTR series will have to take this into account. For example, the Council of Elrond is 50k words of people talking. And if filmed [i']as written[/i], you'd end up watching not only The Hobbit, but everything that had happened in Fellowship all over again!I think we are agreeing more than not. I would never believe that the Lord of the Rings would be easily translated to film. My complaints lie with the portrayal of the essentials. I brought up Aragorn and Gandalf, Nevelon brought up Faramir, you brought up Legolas, Gimli, and the Ents. I really don't understand why the base motivations would change. The extended cut, where Aragorn told Boromir that he would not take the ring within a 100 leagues of Gondor could have just as easily been more of the "I'd like to go with you, but this is the more important quest." speech. Faramir could have been less of the "Daddy Issue" and more heroic. The movie could have played out almost the same, but it would have made the characters more noble and more true to the story. Instead, they had to burden all of the characters with unnecessary pathos. PS: However, nothing excuses Gimli being the comic relief or Legolas surfing on a shield. Or having the Ents initially refuse to fight Saruman.How right you are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNakagawa Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? Game 4 of the Giants-Braves NLDS. Rookie Madison Bumgarner dueled veteran Derek Lowe (pitching on 3 days rest) and for the most part, held his ground. The Giants broke through when Lowe tired in the 7th and their bullpen held on to a 3-2 lead until Brian Wilson made things dramatic in the 9th, walking two. At the end of it all, may I be the first to wish Braves manager Bobby Cox a happy retirement. His string of successive division wins is pretty much unassailable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Mackinder Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? Game 4 of the Giants-Braves NLDS. Rookie Madison Bumgarner dueled veteran Derek Lowe (pitching on 3 days rest) and for the most part' date=' held his ground. The Giants broke through when Lowe tired in the 7th and their bullpen held on to a 3-2 lead until Brian Wilson made things dramatic in the 9th, walking two.[/quote'] Hmmmm. It LOOKS like English .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? Hmmmm. It LOOKS like English .... How can you you be sure it isn't elvish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Cross Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? It's sports (probably baseball) jargon. Not quite as unintelligible as Cockney,though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? Beauty and the Beast Diamond Edition on Blu-Ray. It's an absolutely gorgeous transfer of the movie, with a bonus disc of extra features (that actually look interesting), and a DVD of the movie (for all of the other devices in the house). There are multiple viewing modes, including the original theatrical release (what I watched tonight), the extended edition (the last release on DVD), and the rough cut. I'll probably go back and watch the rough cut this weekend. Disney seems to be doing away with the electronic copy. Instead, they offer to sell a discounted streaming library copy for about $6 more. I'm expecting that this is just Disney's way of hedging their bets for future distribution channels. JoeG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? Detroit 1-8-7 and I keep expecting the Champions(or at least Nighthawk) to show up I'm not sure that I want to watch a show set in Detroit, Michigan that references the California Penal Code in its title. It just seems absurd to me. JoeG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? Halloween Moviethon...next up...Rabid, another film by David Cronenberg. Marilyn Chambers(yes the porn star) stars as a woman who is injured in a motorcycle accident and is subjected to an experimental medical procedure to save her life. The process leaves her with an uncontrollable bloodlust that she spreads to others after attacking them with a phallic like appendage that bursts out of her body. The execution is much better than this premise deserves, but even so..it's hard to take this one seriously. Not horrible, but definitely a lesser film in Cronenberg's body of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahuna's bro Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? the episode which sparkled my super-hero interest batman hi diddle riddle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahuna's bro Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? watching now a PPV of jonah hex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? Rewatched Speed Racer and Kung Fu Panda. i have to admit some days when i am stuck in the traffic, I would love to be able to hook my car to another car and spin them off the road for being an idiot driver. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahuna's bro Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? x-play and aots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Cross Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? Earth Vs. The Flying Saucers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Mackinder Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? Earth Vs. The Flying Saucers. A classic example of alien stereotyping and unprovoked scare-mongering, as practiced by the movie industry. This may be why aliens won't go anywhere near Earth - they're offended by what they see on our media. (OK, I dunno where that came from. Maybe I need to change my tinfoil hat or something) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahuna's bro Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? space ghost and dino boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrisUlf Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? Same here. There are a lot worse Godzilla movies out there. Like Godzilla versus Hedorah or All Monsters Attack. When they did that big boxed set of the original Godzilla movies a few years back, why did they include THAT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrisUlf Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? Earth Vs. The Flying Saucers. Isn't something how a Harryhausen film still manages to look better than modern CGI? Well, better than the modern CGI they use for most SyFy Originals, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? Isn't something how a Harryhausen film still manages to look better than modern CGI? Well' date=' better than the modern CGI they use for most SyFy Originals, anyway.[/quote'] I think it's a question of pride. Harryhausen treated all of his films as top notch productions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahuna's bro Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? batman fine feathered finks its good to have the show that brought me into super-heroes back on the tube,since its not on dvd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? Like Godzilla versus Hedorah or All Monsters Attack. When they did that big boxed set of the original Godzilla movies a few years back' date=' why did they include THAT? [/quote'] I'll be honest. I have no idea why people think Final Wars is so great. I think it's awful. It's boring, the script is terrible, the dialogue is atrocious(even subtitled) and the FX work is so shoddy in places that I can realistically say some of it is WORSE than the two films above. Now, Hedorah and Godzilla's Revenge aren't exactly at the top of my list either, but they're certainly more watchable than Final Wars IMO. At least those films didn't hype themselves up to be something they're not. Godzilla's Revenge is a child's fantasy and works fine as such. Final Wars hyped itself to be the Godzilla movie to end all Godzilla movies and ended up as a really boring Matrix/X-men ripoff with lame short monster fights and some god awful SPFX(Kumonga fight anyone). It really doesn't feel like a Godzilla movie at all, unlike the other films you mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwiggins Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? I got SOAP from netflix. For you young people, it is one of the funniest quazi soap operas of all time. It had a very young Billy Crystal, who played the first openly gay character on tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrisUlf Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? I got SOAP from netflix. For you young people' date=' it is one of the funniest quazi soap operas of all time. It had a very young Billy Crystal, who played the first openly gay character on tv.[/quote'] And he got more women than all the other characters combined. His rivalry with that annoying dummy (the wooden one, not all the flesh-and-blood ones) was entertaining too. And then there was Devil Baby, followed by Space Baby. And the evil cult run by Richard Moll, which brainwashed the one family's son until he got rescued by his lecherous jailbird dad, the screwy detective, the even screwier and racist old general (his grandfather), and Benson, the only sane man in the bunch. "We're the Step Brothers. We're here for the audition." "Audition! Here?" "Here? If you insist!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahuna's bro Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Re: What Have You Watched Recently? music choice halloween block Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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