NestorDRod Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up I'm definitely in the crowd. That artwork does not say superhero to me. It says WoW reject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up While I respect the opinions of those who favor past examples of art for these characters over the current ones, let's keep in mind that the 5E artwork for these characters hasn't been free of criticism or controversy either. We shouldn't give the impression that we all think "old = good" for these characters. For example, 5E Dr. Destroyer looks radically different from his earlier depictions (like on the cover of 4E Champions), and that change was far from universally welcomed either. Ironclad's brow ridges, kilt and "ruby slippers" drew a lot criticism when he first came out. Menton's "GQ leisure suit" look wasn't all the rage with people who preferred a more "super" style, like the robes he wore in his 4E depiction. Then there are the common critiques for Takofanes (scrawny skeleton in a kilt who looks more fantasy than supers) or Teleios (bland blonde guy in a lab coat). And who can forget the reams of snickers over "Nightduck"? As one of the few who defended Nighthawk's look, I smugly consider myself above that anyway. Ironclad also got drawn in sandals (Better than the slippers by far). Still not crazy about some of the choices Cryptic is going with, though I actually like the new Defender look , even if I think a full face helmet would be a more practical call. I expect that we'll all eventually come to accept the new look of these characters, even if we would prefer something different in some cases. Probably. I AM Pleased at most of the backstories I'm reading so far. Concept Art wise, well, I am curious what they'll do with Witchcraft. Sapphire too, but I figure she'll be easier to accept period as she's the sort who seems to vary her costume a lot anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalloweenKnight Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up C'mon, dudes..."concept art" is like a "concept car" at a show - its just for show...none of the spiffy gadgets inside actually work (yet) and the thing probably doesn't even have an engine...it just sits there and looks good (or not). All of this concept art is subject to change at a moment's notice. Most likely none of this stuff will end up looking much like the in-game version when all is said and done. But thats why they're asking for opinions, right? Because our opinions matter to them, right? So if we say "the sword sucks" now, they'll actually drop it from the concept? And do a "concept art version 2" without the sword? That'd be nice... So far, whoever is doing this concept art doesn't look like they've ever seen the original versions of the character art. Looks like someone just told the artist "OK, draw up this..." and they go to it. Which is why we got a resulting "WTF" version of Menton, Dr. Destroyer looks pretty un-Destroyer-like (and odd), Defender looks like Statesman (woops!) and Ironclad looks like a "generic super-strong guy with metal skin". But hold the phone a second. Do the CO people actually have the rights to the original Champions artwork, in addition to the source material? Because if they don't, it explains everything above. And if they do? Someone's asleep at the wheel. As for Ironclad himself...generic super-strong guy with metal skin. *shrug* And the sword is unnecessary on a character who originally had a Code Against Killing...unless they changed that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up Well, his powerset doesn't seem to include a sword.... I like him. He looks about like the existing one in gladiator garb. So far I'm liking the heroes much better than the villains. But I'll wait to see guys like Grond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayapuppies Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up C'mon' date=' dudes..."concept art" is like a "concept car" at a show - its just for show...none of the spiffy gadgets inside actually [i']work[/i] (yet) and the thing probably doesn't even have an engine...it just sits there and looks good (or not). All of this concept art is subject to change at a moment's notice. Most likely none of this stuff will end up looking much like the in-game version when all is said and done. How long until the release of the game? If it is less than a year, then this concept art should have been approved already and we're only just now getting a peak at it. But thats why they're asking for opinions, right? Because our opinions matter to them, right? So if we say "the sword sucks" now, they'll actually drop it from the concept? And do a "concept art version 2" without the sword? That'd be nice... Having been on both sides of the video game industry, I can tell you right now, this is never the case. Can you imagine leaving your corporate decisions up to a bunch of raving lunatics that can't agree on anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up Can you imagine leaving your corporate decisions up to a bunch of raving lunatics that can't agree on anything? I thought those were called department heads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayapuppies Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up Oh see, now you're feeding my rants about corporate America. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobGreenwade Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up Can you imagine leaving your corporate decisions up to a bunch of raving lunatics that can't agree on anything? You mean... there's another way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up You mean... there's another way? If so, this could revolutionize our political electoral process... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archermoo Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up How long until the release of the game? If it is less than a year, then this concept art should have been approved already and we're only just now getting a peak at it. At best still more than a year out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Cermak Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up The Menton art has had me worried, but this looks just fine to me. It's actually relatively faithful to the original, with a few accessories added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalloweenKnight Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up Having been on both sides of the video game industry' date=' I can tell you right now, this is never the case. Can you imagine leaving your corporate decisions up to a bunch of raving lunatics that can't agree on anything? [/quote'] Oh, so they really don't give a rip what we think. Grreeeeat. I feel so much better now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up Sorry, but I consider this one a giant step forward over the current 5th Ed "Washboard Forehead" Ironclad. TB Ironclad with no lumpy-head? That's like Seeker without bullet holes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up Seeker without Bullet Holes?... ROFLOL! I am with the crowd too. They really need to look closer at their own character write ups and descriptions too. Doctor Destroyer looks more like a skinny SAS Kreuzritter. Defender is not wearing Battle Armour, but a Battle Suit and weilds a force sword. Iron Clad looks more like a Golem from a Fantasy game than a Superhero. IMOHO QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up I think its fine. It captures ironclad pretty well. I didn't like the way iron-clad looked to start with. In some ways this is better. I don't like the sword, though. Not everything has to be an iron age blood-fest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocelot Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up They also gave Defender a sword. Anyone noticing a trend here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up They also gave Defender a sword. Anyone noticing a trend here? You missed the earlier posts eh? LOL QM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Obvious Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up The sword fits fairly well with the gladiator aspect, but it'll be hard to do much in the way of superheroing with a CVK while using one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azato Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up If you got it, flaunt it! Sorry, but I consider this one a giant step forward over the current 5th Ed "Washboard Forehead" Ironclad. TB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Re: Ironclad is up I finally remembered where I've seen that helmet before. He stole it from Limecat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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