mayapuppies Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics I would also put on the block TMNT and similar. (Except Usagi Yojimbo and Cerebus) The original B&W TMNT was quite cool if I remember correctly. It was the 80's color coded bandana versions that really blew chunks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshairCollie Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics The original B&W TMNT was quite cool if I remember correctly. It was the 80's color coded bandana versions that really blew chunks. Do keep in mind, the 80s cartoon version was targetted at, well, kids, and the young end of the demographic at that. The 2003 (I believe) TMNT cartoon was targetted at a demographic more for late-teens rather than pre-teens, and was a lot more serious and a lot less slapstick. The color-coded bandanas are a necessity because, otherwise, the characters are all identical if you can't see their weapons (as in, any close-up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics I've never seen Lobo in anything serious' date=' except that episode of Justice League, I guess.[/quote'] He first appeared in the Omega Men. He was actually quite scary. They cranked up the absurdity level later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenn Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics Yeah. He was scary in his goofy orange and purple tights. When he went absurd he was wearing the biker leathers. No. I'm not kidding, even though this seems backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics It's not the characters' date=' it's the writers and editors. A good writer can make *any* character interesting and entertaining while a bad writer can take the greatest character around and completely ruin them.[/quote'] There is no character separate from his writers and artists of course. But, I disagree anyway. A good writer can't make any character interesting and entertaining at least not for me. If he changes a character like Cable, or Brother Power, or Venom enough to do that, he'll have changed their basic premise enough to make effectively a new character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualplayer Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics We've seen Neil Gaiman make Brother Power, Glob, Brute and the 70's Sandman cool. We've seen James Robinson make the 70's Starman cool. We've seen Grant Morrison make Animal Man and Klarion the Witch Boy cool. We've seen Alan Moore, Kurt Busiek and Warren Ellis deconstruct and reconstruct heroes by the score, distilling them to their essense. A good writer can make any character work. Except for Cable. The only way Kirkman made him palatable was to change his entire origin in Ultimate X-Men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey88 Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics The original B&W TMNT was quite cool if I remember correctly. Agreed. The current B&W run (vol. 4) is also very good, and a fun read. The most recent cartoon (save for its final devolution into "Fast Forward") is also quite good, and follows the comics surprisingly closely - though it's rather less bloody for the sake of the kiddies, the stories are still quite well-done with interesting character developments. The color versions (Archie comics) and the 90's cartoons are considerably less inspiring. I've seen far worse (eg. Chuck Norris' Karate Kommandos), but I'd hesitate to call them "good". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics He first appeared in the Omega Men. He was actually quite scary. They cranked up the absurdity level later. Yeah. He was scary in his goofy orange and purple tights. When he went absurd he was wearing the biker leathers. No. I'm not kidding, even though this seems backwards. I was thinking the same thing. I like his "new" look better than his original, but hate the character. correction, hate that he's used as a protagonist. I also hate his self contained spin offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics Like Vondy, I like Batman, hate the guy who replaced him (Bat-God). I like Superman. I'm not a fan of Cable, or X-Man for that matter. I HATE just about every character Leifield has stolen-er, Created...when written by Leifield. Other people can make them palletable. I have little more than disdain for minor villains who become anti-heroes and get on superhero teams or worse yet, their own titles. (Lobo, Venom, Sabertooth, Punisher, etc) Oh, and to the guy who said Captain America, I respectfully disagree. I read Cap for a long while, and the Avengers as well, I always felt that he (unlike, say Bat-Psycho) exhibits the best characteristics of the costumed mortal; he's abandoned his costume to keep his ideals, he's faced the realities of being an anachronism, wrestled with his conscience over killing a terrorist, trained more than a few heroes...given up his super soldier serum, etc. I'll admit he's something of a one note player, but I've never found him lacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narratio Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics If we were sticking with the 60's, I'd be forced to mention that icon of supervillain silliness, 'The Top'. How a guy like the Flash could ever have been threatened by a guy who used spinning tops as weapons still escapes me. Meanwhile, back at nailing Cable to a tree and having him pecked to death by Spotted Owl's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics We've seen Neil Gaiman make Brother Power, Glob, Brute and the 70's Sandman cool. We've seen James Robinson make the 70's Starman cool. We've seen Grant Morrison make Animal Man and Klarion the Witch Boy cool. We've seen Alan Moore, Kurt Busiek and Warren Ellis deconstruct and reconstruct heroes by the score, distilling them to their essense. A good writer can make any character work. Except for Cable. The only way Kirkman made him palatable was to change his entire origin in Ultimate X-Men. Actually Neil Gaiman killed off the 70's Sandman, and turned Brute and Glob into villains. Robinson started the trend of rewriting characters to fit what he wanted so they might as well be new characters. I liked Firearm and Leave it to Chance, but thought Starman would have been better if Robinson had not rewrote every starman story to make them fit some kind of theme. Grant Morrison might have done well with Animal Man but he screwed the Doom Patrol. Moore and Busiek are the best writers on this list, and as far as superheroes go, I would take Busiek as the better writer. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmetahuman Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics I guess I have to jump on the "hate the writer, not the character" bandwagon here. I despise the whole let's-make-everyone-edgy-and-badass trend (is it still a "trend" after this long?), so I should hate Wolverine and Cable... but I rarely dislike Wolvy while I'm actually reading the stories he's in, and I did like what I read of the Cable & Deadpool stuff. The let's-completely-alter-this-established-character's-personality-to-fit-my-story-arc trend infuriates me, too - why in the world wasn't every super trying to figure out which villain/alien possessed/mind controlled/impersonated Iron Man & Reed during Civil War? The ridiculously convoluted backstory stuff can be bad or okay, depending. So I guess I'll have to put another vote for Dazzler - the disco version for being that lame, and the punk rock version for trying to do the same damn thing with a music genre I love. No, wait - I absolutely, completely loathe everything about Mojo. Everything. But especially his omnipotence in the context of his goals - he can do pretty much anything he wants if a writer needs him to, including mass mind control, so how exactly can he lose ratings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrisUlf Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics I've never seen Lobo in anything serious' date=' except that episode of Justice League, I guess. He's great as parody, although I can imagine any attempt at a serious Lobo story would end up as unintentional parody.[/quote'] I saw him in several Superman stories where he was presented as a serious threat to Supes, with Superman himself being scared of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plex Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics Grant Morrison might have done well with Animal Man but he screwed the Doom Patrol.CES Morrison's Doom patrol is what got me back into reading comics. I never liked the earlier version of DP, but loved this. But each to their own taste. My favorite era for the comics industry was when all the writers were rewriting the old silly characters. (The English invasion: Gaimen, Moore, Morrison, Ellis, Robinson, Milligan- okay he's Irish but you get the point, etc...) I don't like 75% of comics involving super powered animals, hence my dislike of anything TMNT and of similar style. Though I was smart enough to buy the original series and then sell it later for a wack of cash... I know when DC put out a collection of Lobo trades they put in a special book called the Wisdom of Lobo, which was blank inside. I know a lot of the customers were very angry at this. Personally I thought it was funny and expected as much, plus I didn't shell out the cash for the slip case special edition to get said book. So I agree that a good writer can turn anything into something worth reading, usually, if the subject interests you, except for Lobo and Cable. (My choices) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics We've seen Neil Gaiman make Brother Power' date=' Glob, Brute and the 70's Sandman cool. We've seen James Robinson make the 70's Starman cool. We've seen Grant Morrison make Animal Man and Klarion the Witch Boy cool. .[/quote'] Klarion the Witch Boy was always cool. Animal Man? Let's say I wasn't much more impressed by leather jacket over his tights Animal Man than I was by his predecessor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magmarock Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics My vote for worst character concept was The Blob. Even though he is a reoccuring villain instead of a hero, being fat and immovable seems, well, stupid superpowers. Mags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magmarock Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics Oh, and I forgot to say.. Strong Guy RULES! And I thought it was especially touching when he had a heart attack... Mags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics My vote for worst character concept was The Blob. Even though he is a reoccuring villain instead of a hero, being fat and immovable seems, well, stupid superpowers. Mags I think his superpowers are great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrisUlf Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics My vote for worst character concept was The Blob. Even though he is a reoccuring villain instead of a hero, being fat and immovable seems, well, stupid superpowers. Mags Doesn't old Blobby also have super strength (considering his weight, he needs it!) and gravity control powers? I remember reading something about him now having the equivalent of a Double Knockback punch, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics Doesn't old Blobby also have super strength (considering his weight' date=' he needs it!) and gravity control powers? I remember reading something about him now having the equivalent of a Double Knockback punch, anyway.[/quote'] Now I like him even more! :D:D In his secret identity he is an actor and plays a comic shop owner in a popular ongoing comedy show centered around a certain yellow family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brionl Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics Now I like him even more! :D:D In his secret identity he is an actor and plays a comic shop owner in a popular ongoing comedy show centered around a certain yellow family. Worst. Retcon. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics Doesn't old Blobby also have super strength (considering his weight' date=' he needs it!) and gravity control powers? I remember reading something about him now having the equivalent of a Double Knockback punch, anyway.[/quote'] He did have superstrength, though not on the level of the Hulk (though I could be wrong, it's been awhile since I've read those comics.) The gravity control thing, I belive, was an explantion for how Blob could knock people flying so far when he wasn't really strong enough to do so via brute strength (that is to say, he could knock them flying but not as far as he does without the gravity thingy.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corven_Ren Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics Well besides Cable....probably this guy Sleepwalker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleepwalker_%28comics%29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiducia Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics Well besides Cable....probably this guy Sleepwalker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleepwalker_%28comics%29 Yeah that is pretty weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Re: The Worst character in comics Blob had strength and a good degree of imperviousness, especially around his midsection in addition to his immobility. Being rooted to the spot doesn't mean much if you're just going to get beat to a pulp! I've always liked Blob, but that was probably my pro fat-guy leanings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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