Doctor Agenda Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 DC had modifiers for new locations, like a finger or the throat. Anyone know the modifiers for a heart shot, or has that not come up? Be vewy quiet. I'm hunting vampires! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Re: Heart Shot It's a vitals shot at -8 OCV with same effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Agenda Posted December 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Re: Heart Shot Isn't that like calling a throat shot a head shot and a finger shot a hand shot? I'm looking for an additional hit location, like DC has for Finger, Eye, Knee/Elbow, Spine, and Neck/Throat. Everything PG-rated a boy could want except the heart. I guess I'll make the OCV penalty the same as for Neck/Throat (-9) and the effects same as Vitals. After all, the -8 OCV assumes any old vital spot will do, the heart is more specific. I was hoping the topic had come up before with some kind of consensus, but thanks for helping me think it through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Shot through the heart it's all part of the game we call HERO I'm just glad no one has made any Bon Jovi references yet. I hate that song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Re: Shot through the heart it's all part of the game we call HERO I'm just glad no one has made any Bon Jovi references yet. I hate that song. For bringing it up, you're to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Cross Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Re: Heart Shot If memory serves,Johnathan Harker was an expert in targeting hearts with his Kukri knife... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edsel Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Re: Heart Shot Included is an excerpt from the House Rules of my Weekend Warriors campaign. This includes rules for targeting specific organs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Agenda Posted December 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Re: Heart Shot Thanks, Edsel, very to the, er, point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Re: Shot through the heart it's all part of the game we call HERO For bringing it up' date=' you're to blame.[/quote'] You give hero a bad name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Re: Heart Shot More seriously, I'm aware of one instance where a police officer shot a charging perp through the heart and the perp successfully tackled him and killed him by slamming his head into the curb several times before dying himself. While a heart shot does generally kill nearly instantly, with enough adrenaline and oxygen in the blood stream a person can (in rare cases) continue to function for a few seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Agenda Posted December 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Re: Heart Shot Animals with big hearts and slow heart rates (like Grizzly Bears) can take over a minute to die from a heart shot...and a Grizzly can do a lot of damage in a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edsel Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Re: Heart Shot The effects of bullets in real life vary wildly as previous posters have alluded to. I have read accounts of people surviving long enough to fight back from multiple chest shots and even heart shots. I have also read accounts of people rapidly dying from shock due to an otherwise seemingly trivial wound from a low caliber bullet. Snipers sometimes target what they call the "apricot", the junction of the brain and brain stem, (about an apricot's size). That seems to be the only way to ensure an instant kill. It would be a -9 to hit in Hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadmaster Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 Re: Heart Shot More seriously' date=' I'm aware of one instance where a police officer shot a charging perp through the heart and the perp successfully tackled him and killed him by slamming his head into the curb several times before dying himself. While a heart shot does generally kill nearly instantly, with enough adrenaline and oxygen in the blood stream a person can (in rare cases) continue to function for a few seconds.[/quote'] Clearly he was not a vampire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Re: Heart Shot Clearly he was not a vampire. In the wake of recent vampire attacks police departments have started issuing their officers silver bullets in the hopes of dealing aggravated damage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Re: Heart Shot That'll take care of the werewolves running loose at any rate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Re: Heart Shot That'll take care of the werewolves running loose at any rate... Traditionally speaking, yeah. The "aggravated damage" reference was to white wolf, whose idiot writers have silver killing most things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtelson Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Re: Heart Shot Traditionally speaking' date=' yeah. The "aggravated damage" reference was to white wolf, whose idiot writers have silver killing most things.[/quote'] Not generally Vampires pretty much only shapeshifters although there was likely a way for the player to opt to have his character affected by silver (Essentially taking a vulnerability for additional points) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Re: Heart Shot Not generally Vampires pretty much only shapeshifters although there was likely a way for the player to opt to have his character affected by silver (Essentially taking a vulnerability for additional points) I won't quibble minutia of a game I can't stand and haven't looked at in almost a decade with you. Thanks for the correction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanDispute Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Re: Heart Shot Wood, silver.... Oh dear, I'm having a flashback to Love At First Bite. :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtelson Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Re: Heart Shot Wood, silver.... Oh dear, I'm having a flashback to Love At First Bite. :shock: Well, yeah. Although IIRC one of the Serbian vampire myths includes breaking up silver crucifixes and firing them from a shotgun. Probably more a crucifix thing than a silver thing though. And of course metals that are percieved as Pure, generally silver and gold, are often a goto place for folklore. The thing that is unpure must shun/fear/be hurt by that which is pure. As to targeting the heart in Hero I'd probably call it a -8 penalty for location but only use the Chest modifiers for damage. It's not really more vulnerable than the area around it, it's just that in some instances there's more of an advantage to putting a stake through the heart than the lung. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemming Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Re: Heart Shot Hopefully we're not hunting a Clint vampire. "You shoot to kill, you better hit the heart. Your own words, Ramone" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanDispute Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Re: Heart Shot Well, yeah. Although IIRC one of the Serbian vampire myths includes breaking up silver crucifixes and firing them from a shotgun. Probably more a crucifix thing than a silver thing though. I had not heard of that. One place I have heard about the right way to deal with vampires can be found at http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/37/whats-the-best-way-to-kill-a-vampire That, though, is more "how to kill them off permanently" than "how to hurt them in a battle". As to targeting the heart in Hero I'd probably call it a -8 penalty for location but only use the Chest modifiers for damage. It's not really more vulnerable than the area around it, it's just that in some instances there's more of an advantage to putting a stake through the heart than the lung. Indeed, putting a stake through a vampire's lung is likely to do no more than give her pneumonia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Re: Heart Shot The entire notion of silver being used to kill various supernatural creatures emerged from the notion of silver bullets, which is a firearms era myth. In another thread I posted some information on the properties of silver and why it cannot be forged with iron without exotic, modern techniques that still only produce highly substandard material in terms of tensile strength, thus making it an abysmal choice for melee weapons. Even coating metal with silver isn't simple. This is why, if you dig into the myths, you don't see references to silver before the emergence of firearms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Cross Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Re: Heart Shot Which thread was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Re: Heart Shot Which thread was it? I'll go look for it. It was a silver weapon related thread in the herogames discussion forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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