Susano Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 I'm building a bibliography for Steve for the HSMA book and am looking for suggestions. I haven't looked at my library (yet), but intend to break it down as follows: Anime Comics/Manga Movies China/Hong Kong Korea Japan Hollywood Other Non-Fiction Western Animation Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources Hmmm...I'd consider "Magical" and Nonmagical (ie Concievable) as a divider, and "Ninja" is likely a whole Genre on it's own.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted October 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources For the purposes of this bibliography, real world martial arts, supernatural martial arts, and anything with ninja in it are all part of the martial arts genre. I fully intend to list Enter The Dragon in the same section as Big Trouble in Little China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted October 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources Example: under Western Animation, I know there's Jackie Chan Adventures (is that the correct title?), also Avatar: The Last Airbender. But... aren't there some lucha cartoons? Stuff like that. Please don't think too hard about this, IMO, it's all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources Assuming you're looking for suggestions of potential additions to the list: Non-Fiction Books Modern Arnis: Filipino Art of Stick Fighting by Remy Presas Comprehensive Applications of Shaolin Chin Na by Dr Yang Jwing-Ming Classical Weaponry of Japan: Special Weapons and Tactics of the Martial Arts by Serge Mol Fiction Books Steve Perry. Particularly The Musashi Flex or Black Steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources I could go on for hours talking about instructional martial arts books and videos... So, keeping it simple and sticking with a some Western Animation... Samurai Jack Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Kung Fu Panda Xiaolin Showdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahuna's bro Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources Example: under Western Animation' date=' I know there's [i']Jackie Chan Adventures[/i] (is that the correct title?), also Avatar: The Last Airbender. But... aren't there some lucha cartoons? Stuff like that. Please don't think too hard about this, IMO, it's all good. yes susano this is the correct title of the series formerly known as bubba smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodstone Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources But... aren't there some lucha cartoons? Mucha Lucha El Tigre: The Adventures of Manny Rivera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palaskar Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources A few rare ones: Lost fighting arts of Vietnam by Dr. Haha Lung The Way of the Sun Dragon by Kenneth A. Smith The K-sys manual by Matthew Powell Combat Strategy: Junsado: The Way of the Warrior bu Hanho Fukien Ground Boxing: Nan Shaolin leg techniques by Cai, Chu-Xian Don't let the infamous ninja books by Haha Lung fool you; the Vietnamese book is actually quite good. It reduces many complex techniques to simpler ones. The Junsado book is all that rare; Turtle press regularly has it on sale. Good luck finding the K-sys and the Sun Dragon books, though. I couldn't find either the last time I tried. (I forget whether it was through library or 'net search.) I also recommend going to the plumflowerpress. I forget whether it ends in .net or .com, but it's a repository for some weird MA styles, like duck style. IIRC. There are also some other interesting ones, but I've run out of time for this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted November 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources Anyone have any popular culture recommendations? Movies, comics, and so on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources ... Musashi's Book Of Five Rings is probably too philosophical to be useful. I'd recommend the manga Vagabond for chanbara, and of course Lone Wolf And Cub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yansuf Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources The original "Get Tough" by W E Fairbairn is a classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Long Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources Note -- folx, please stick with recommending fictional sources to Michael. He's not responsible for reading any real-world books or doing any real-world style design; that's all on me. If and when I want recommendations for additional sources to add to my already extensive library on the subject, I'll post that in the WDYWTS thread for HSMA -- which you can expect to see go up the day after I finish Champions, have no far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources ... All I have is far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted November 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources Note -- folx' date=' please stick with recommending [i']fictional[/i] sources to Michael. He's not responsible for reading any real-world books or doing any real-world style design; that's all on me. If and when I want recommendations for additional sources to add to my already extensive library on the subject, I'll post that in the WDYWTS thread for HSMA -- which you can expect to see go up the day after I finish Champions, have no far. What Steve said. And, in truth, I'm probably not going to be reading or watching much of what you recommend, because A) my library is pretty big, and I'm pretty busy with my part of HSMA. But I'd like a good list of things for others to choose from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesama Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources For the Wuxia Genre go for anything by Louis Cha, the most famous being the Condor trilogy, consisting of: Legend of the Condor Heroes, Return of the Condor Heroes and Heaven's Sword and Dragon Sabre, these were getting released by a company called Comics one in the US and you can get about halfway through the series before they stopped. They've also been released about 13-200 times in China in various forms and revisions of the story in movie, TV and print. Also there is a Hong Kong cartoonist called Tony Wong who put out Oriental Heroes and Weapons of the Gods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted November 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources For the Wuxia Genre go for anything by Louis Cha, the most famous being the Condor trilogy, consisting of: Legend of the Condor Heroes, Return of the Condor Heroes and Heaven's Sword and Dragon Sabre, these were getting released by a company called Comics one in the US and you can get about halfway through the series before they stopped. They've also been released about 13-200 times in China in various forms and revisions of the story in movie, TV and print. Also there is a Hong Kong cartoonist called Tony Wong who put out Oriental Heroes and Weapons of the Gods. is the former a comic or a novel? The latter I know of, as I own the Weapons of the Gods RPG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Martin Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources Hmm....some of the Star Wars material (especially the Tartakovsky Clone Wars cartoon) might be worth considering for 'wuxia/martial arts in Sci-Fi/Space Fantasy.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources Do you have specific series titles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Martin Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources Do you have specific series titles? Was this addressed to me? If so, then I'd suggest the Clone Wars cartoon Vols. 1 & 2 directed by Genndy Tartakovsky (to be distinguished from the CGI The Clone Wars series currently airing), specifically Vol. 1, Chapters 7 (Asajj Ventress vs. Count Dooku), 12-13 (Mace Windu takes on a battle droid army and seismic tank single-handedly), 18-19 (Assaj Ventress vs. Anakin Skywalker) and 20 (General Grievious makes his first appearance against four Jedi), and Vol. 2 Chapters 23-25 for the most lightsaber/wuxia-esque action. The Prequel trilogy also features some lightsaber duels and an emphasis on the Jedi as monastic warriors. Selected comic books may have similar thematics and styles, but I'm not sure which ones offhand. Information on Jedi fighting styles, for gamers who want ideas on fictional/mystical swordfighting techniques, can be found in Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force. Please note that while I know Star Wars well, I know wuxia mostly secondhand--I learned most of what I know from Ninja Hero 5E and seeing Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon--so I may be completely off the mark here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susano Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources No, these are valid suggestions. This is the sort of thing I don't normally watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesama Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources is the former a comic or a novel? The latter I know of' date=' as I own the Weapons of the Gods RPG.[/quote'] Both originally started as comics, in short almost anything from Jademan comics or Comics One will probably work for what you're looking for. Also for other media, Jade Empire by Bioware (a wuxia game made by a bunch of Canadians and Americans.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jhamin Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources It may be sad, but most of my contributions here are cartoons or things that may as well be cartoons.... - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Both the recent cartoon & all the various movies) - Power Rangers (any season, but the classic 90's 1st season got into some trouble with parents groups for Stuntmen being a bit *too* dynamic in their fights.) - Kim Possible (The Cheerleader Martial Artist, especially in the first season & the 'Sitch in Time Movie) - Justice League Unlimited was mostly an out & out supers show, but a few episodes (Esp "The Cat & the Canary", "Double Date" and "Grudge Match") focus heavily on the Martial Artists & Weapon Masters in the 'League. Grudge Match is notable in that they upped the animation budget for the big all-woman brawl at the end (Wonderwoman vs everyone else shows some fun flying brick vs. martial arts stuff). Also some really great martial artists vs. supers animation. - The Jack Kirby era Captain America comics may be a bit off topic, and are very much a product of their time, but they have some *really* great one martial artist vs. horde of agents type fights. I think these issues are collected in the essential Captain America vol. 1 I also know Anime has a real mixed reputation around here, but if you can deal with it... - Naruto episodes 48-50 features probably the best fight in the series, a Martial Arts speedster vs. a guy with Sand-Based TK. There are some other great fights, but this is probably the best outing you see from someone who would be considered a Martial Artist under the Hero definition of the term. (Be warned, there are a lot of Anime tropes in play here, including combat commentators and escalating "well I better start really fighting then" type stuff. - Trigun has a protagonist that is the definition of Gun-Fu. If all you care about is the fights, skip to the confrontation with the big bad in the last couple episodes. One of the best gun-based martal arts showdowns I've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yansuf Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources I don't know if this is what you are looking for, but the old comic "Magnus Robot Fighter" had lots of human vs. robot martial arts scenes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palaskar Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Re: Martial Arts Resources Regarding movies, I've got w soft spot for Boy with the Golden Arm and Master of the Flying Guillotine. The first one is a straight-up progression of more powerful opponents: Iron Robe to Bronze Helmet to Sliver Spear to Golden Boy. The second is a guy with a Flying Guillotine with decapitates people. Another, and much more common one, Is Tai Chi Master of Twin Warriors. Not only does it show some good Chen-stye-ish Taiji, We have Jet Li acting all wacky as a Taoist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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