Acroyear II Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 One of my players is looking to buy a HA baton that can also be thrown and do the same damage at range as at no range. The thing is, he wants it not to be built as a multipower. He has a 25 STR, and wants a 6d6 HA, for a total of 11d6 in HTH combat. He also wants to be able to do 11d6 at range with the baton as well. What if we build the 6d6 HA with Ranged and Range Based On STR, and of course, OAF. But wouldn't he also have to buy (seperately) STR Usable At Range (+1/2 Advantage), Only with HA (maybe a -1/4 Limitation). What do you guys think? Also, is there a better way to buy this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 BY THE RULES, the second ability should be an EB BY MY RULES, just put a +1/4 advantage on the HA (Ranged based on Str) and you are good Unless he has Cap like skills with it I would suggest a 1 Rec Charge, Lockout, Costs End limit on the advantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 I beleive that you may add your strength to a "Ranged" attack that is bout that way...I am sure that a axe can be thrown and if it is you add the STR...if I'm wrong I as a GM would let it happen anyway...the GM may trump any rule if it adds to the game...in this case the illusion of "realism".......so HA+6D6 ranged, OAF lim must be thrown (loses focus when throw) and you're golden..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightray Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Looking at the example weapons on FREd page 329, I see 7 hand-to-hand weapons with the note "Can Be Thrown". They're Axes, Daggers, Knives, Javelins, Spears, and the like. IIRC, when I did the maths, it was a +1/2 Advantage. Someone might want to recheck that, though. Alternatively, take Ranged +1/2, Range Limited By Strength -1/4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedifensor Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 22 Multipower - 45 points, OAF 2u +6d6 HA, 0 END (11d6 HA for 2 END w/ 25 STR) 2u 9d6 EB, range limited by STR, 4 END It's a little more work to throw the baton than swing it (higher END cost), but that just keeps the hero from using it at range all the time. If it doesn't automatically return, you'll have to add 1 Recoverable Charge and Costs END to the limitations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Originally posted by Lightray Looking at the example weapons on FREd page 329, I see 7 hand-to-hand weapons with the note "Can Be Thrown". They're Axes, Daggers, Knives, Javelins, Spears, and the like. IIRC, when I did the maths, it was a +1/2 Advantage. Someone might want to recheck that, though. Alternatively, take Ranged +1/2, Range Limited By Strength -1/4. Yes and everyone of them is a HKA, for some reason Steve has ruled that a HA can not be ranged but a HKA can, I have never understood the logic personaly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightray Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Originally posted by JmOz Yes and everyone of them is a HKA, for some reason Steve has ruled that a HA can not be ranged but a HKA can, I have never understood the logic personaly hrm. That IS odd. Never noticed that. ... But then look in the Ultimate Martial Artist: - Bokken (p 169) - Kusari, Kusarigama, Kyogetsu Shoge, Manriki-Gusari, Kusari-fundo (p 170) - Yari, Yari (Kamayari) (p 171) (assuming the advantages are applied to both slots in the M-P) - Rings, Sai (normal), Wind and Fire Wheels (traditional) (p 172) Where the footnote says "Apply the Ranged (+1/2) Advantage, signifying an HKA a character can throw...", but yet is applied repeatidly to Normal damage weapons. bah. Rule #6 may require a Multipool to be used, but Keep It Simple (, Stupid) makes me to go with the easy limitation route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmOz Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Which brings me to one of my favorite saying about Hero META RULE 6 IS BROKEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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