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2 hours ago, Starlord said:

 

Well this was just a bill to look good for the voters. The penalty is a $10 fine per violation with a maximum of $500! It'll be cheaper for the manufacturers to just cut a $500 check to Utah whenever they put out a new phone or tablet model than it it would be to develop a porn filter. I guess in aggregate they could raise about $50,000 a year but this is purely a PR move.

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7 hours ago, Old Man said:

I think the main thing that bugged me with GoT was the glorification of graphic violence and the effect that it had on society in general (inuring many to that).  The best example I've got is the Rape of Sansa:  imagine if that had been S1E1, the public outcry you would have heard over the graphic, on-screen depiction of the rape of an underage girl.  The show would have been yanked from the air.  By the time the series got around to it, however, they had already pushed society's tolerance for that well past that point....and I find that depressing.

 

As for the books themselves, I found them to be too heavy (and depressing) -- it was a long read that I was glad to be finished with at the time.

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25 minutes ago, Simon said:

As for the books themselves, I found them to be too heavy (and depressing) -- it was a long read that I was glad to be finished with at the time.

Similar reaction. Each time I finished a volume, I could appreciate the worldbuilding craft and the interweaving of the storylines... but Gawdalmighty, it took a long time getting there. Got through three volumes. Then I found Volume Four was about the apparently peripheral characters and I'd have to wait for #5 to find what was going on with the apparently central characters I somehow still managed to care about. and quit.

 

 I quit the TV series, too, when the storytelling patterns became too obvious. Like, any new character who seems at all sympathetic will promptly be killed, just to remind us what a crapsack world this is. It's not good when I end up rooting for the army of zombies. Perhaps someday I';ll look up the episode list on Wikipedia to find how it all ended up, but I don't actually care that much.

 

Dean Shomshak

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Many people seem to be fascinated by depictions of the vile side of human nature. Maybe it's the appeal of vicariously experiencing one's inner darkness that can't normally be expressed.

 

For my part, I agree with the previous sentiments. The series seemed to revel in cynicism and cruelty. Concepts like honor, justice, compassion, were given lip service, but those who espoused them mostly either died or suffered horrible abuse. Plus there were zombies, which I loathe.

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12 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said:

It'll be another series that gets finished posthumously.

 

Precisely.  It's been clear for decades that he can't force himself to finish the series.  He gave his writer's block its own name and that was 20 years ago.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Lord Liaden said:

For my part, I agree with the previous sentiments. The series seemed to revel in cynicism and cruelty. Concepts like honor, justice, compassion, were given lip service, but those who espoused them mostly either died or suffered horrible abuse. Plus there were zombies, which I loathe.

 

ASoIaF is a deconstruction of the fantasy genre.  First GRRM takes away most of the romanticism of his medieval setting by... getting medieval with his characters.  Then he inverts all the classic tropes: the young princess is forced to marry the barbarian warlord and gets fully on board with this plan.  The boy king marries his love and it gets him killed because it was stupid.  The other young princess gets married to her Prince Charming and whoops turns out he's a psychopath.  The honorable lord figures out the evil queen's secret but tips her off out of honor and loses his head for it.  This was refreshing, for a while at least, because it made the series unpredictable at first.

 

The strongest element of the series is the characterization.  Nothing in ASoIaF feels forced--the plot flows naturally from the motivations and inner conflicts of the characters.  That's hard to do, especially in intrigue-driven storyline.

 

Lastly if your only experience with the series was HBO, then you should know there are some sharp differences between the show and the books.  Sex is far less gratuitous in the books--it happens but tends to be offstage, and we only see it when it drives the plot.  As one example, the honeymoon rape of Daenerys in the very first episode isn't a rape in the book.  (Well it's still statutory rape, but she's a willing participant.)  And GRRM quit writing halfway through the story, the point at which things are supposed to be extraordinarily bad for your characters.  Most of what happens in the show after S4 is clumsily written by HBO, and it shows.

 

Tl;dr: ASoIaF is to fantasy what Watchmen was to supers and what Unforgiven was to westerns.  It's not going to be everyone's cup of tea.

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