megaplayboy Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 http://www.businessinsider.com/superintelligent-humans-with-iq-of-1000-2014-10 in more depth: http://arxiv.org/abs/1408.3421 I'm a bit skeptical about the challenge level in "tweaking" 10,000 genes simultaneously, but if one were to try to create superintelligence, it would make a heck of a lot more sense to start with upgrading the high-end organic computing machine we have now, than trying to bring the silicon stuff up to and beyond our level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 It would produce a humanity we couldn't understand or relate to. And, which would find most of our intellectual challenges trivial. Sounds boring, honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 It would produce a humanity we couldn't understand or relate to. I already have that. And, which would find most of our intellectual challenges trivial. THAT on the other hand I don't have, and might be useful. Lucius Alexander The palindromedary asks how useful they might find me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massey Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 There are already humans with incredibly high IQs. They haven't solved all of our problems yet. You might get someone who was incredibly good at math, and could memorize any piece of info you put in front of him. It still won't make him a persuasive speaker. He's not going to be able to cure homelessness, or bring peace to the Middle East. You'd be a lot better off eliminating mental retardation than you would producing people with 1000 IQs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 If they're on the horizon, then we have a little time to gather weapons and prepare basic fortifications before they arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asperion Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Something that people often forget when they talk about intelligence is that it comes in many different forms. American society thinks mostly of one form - that which is centered around academia. In addition there is also the intelligence used for leadership, artists, and several others. These forms tend to be harder to measure and analyze than the academic form, so America tends to push them and anyone who is strong in them towards the background. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmower Boy Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Scientists at the Springfield Nanoquantum Engineering Laboratory announced today that they were in the last stage of developing a giant cybernetic hype machine, capable of generating more hyped-up news articles about future scientific breakthroughs in a second than a roomful of publicity hounds with shaky scientific credentials and dubious pasts could produce in a 11 parsecs. GCHM Mark !, would, they confidently predicted, be available for installation on the International Space Station by 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted October 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 There are already humans with incredibly high IQs. They haven't solved all of our problems yet. You might get someone who was incredibly good at math, and could memorize any piece of info you put in front of him. It still won't make him a persuasive speaker. He's not going to be able to cure homelessness, or bring peace to the Middle East. You'd be a lot better off eliminating mental retardation than you would producing people with 1000 IQs. I assume that these superintelligent humans would be superintelligent across the spectrum of intelligences, including social, emotional and creative intelligence. So, perhaps they would be capable of all of those things you mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 First, I might as well say I'm skeptical of the suggestion that we are a generation or two away from people whose intelligence exceeds the current mean by "100 standard deviations." But when I entertain the possibility and contrast it with the alternative... ...would find most of our intellectual challenges trivial. Sounds boring, honestly. I have to say that if I imagine my great grandchildren in a world I can understand and relate to, still struggling mentally with the same questions that vex our generation, unable to think any more deeply or clearly than we do; and contrast that with the idea of my great grandchildren as cognitive titans able to effortlessly solve our most challenging problems, mastering the very disciplines I find abstruse or even impenetrable, comprehending their world more fully and in more ways than I can imagine: I know what I would choose for them given the choice, which would be that they and their peers could be better and greater beings than I and their other ancestors. And while I could see dismissing this as an idle dream, or acknowledging that there are also troubling possibilities such as a world of even greater intellectual inequality than we have, the LAST word I would use to describe the prospect is "boring." Lucius Alexander the palindromedary responds that the idea is not boring but my verbose and clumsy rhetoric is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I assume that these superintelligent humans would be superintelligent across the spectrum of intelligences, including social, emotional and creative intelligence. So, perhaps they would be capable of all of those things you mentioned. Either that or the sex is going to be really, really kinky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 You mean, involving up a hundred Non-standard deviations? Lucius Alexander The palindromedary has a Y chromosome and a Y-not? chromosome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 You're the expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Question: If those "all 10k genes on smart" genetic codes are viable, why are they not occuring naturally? I have the feeling that such a specialisation on intelligence would be a "crippling overspecialisation". You might end up creating a hyper-intelligent person unable to move a muscle. Or the most intelligent and autistic person on the planet. I would definitely first check if autistic (and other mentally overfocussed) persons have a exceptional amount of those alleels on "smart". Despite our archievements we are still amateurs in the whole genetic engineering sector. And we are better ready to deal with a lot of screwups before we fully get the hang of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 You're the expert. Who me? Lucius Alexander Not the palindromedary surely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 You're also a time traveler, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Either that or the sex is going to be really, really kinky. Because let's be honest, porn is where more intellectual pursuits go to anyway. Note: Then, again, people nowadays seem to be so uninformed in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 It would produce a humanity we couldn't understand or relate to. That is called "the youth theses days". That discussion has been had since at least 3000 BC in ancient babylon. And it just got lampshaded in a webcomic I read: http://nonadventures.com/2015/09/19/the-kids-are-all-blight/ Also one pet peeve of mine is pointing out that "ridicilously high IQ" values are bogus. It is a relative measurement. The pointing is literally designed to make the result conform to that bell curve: They make a new test. Let 1000 people do the test. Then choose the pointing so that they get that bell curve from the sample set. They still would not get 1000 IQ's. The test point values would just change so they are the new 300's! And eventually would just be core part of the new bell curve as thier DNA goes more and more mainstream. Saying somebody has 1000 IQ is like saying a one blue is 5 times bluer then the normal blue. If it truly is, the new normal blue just get's re-defined. Actually I recently noticed another effect that seems to stop development. I call it "social innertia". Every generation can only move so "far" from the state of the world that raised it. It needs a new generation or two - unburdened by that past upbringing - able to see all the possibilities of the tech we always had. There was a time (around 1970's) where it was believed that by 2k Videophones would be as widespread as normal ones and as a result people would be socialy isolated, only talking via VidPhone and not in person. The thing is we have the technology. Had it for decades. It is 95% a software thing nowadays. Yet still we barely use it. It could be we actually like the distance/lack of sight that comes with a traditional voice only phonecall. We actually still like the idea of gathering in real life. We still have enough social innertia holding videophones back. We have added everything to the phone system (both the physical network and the end devices) we could think of - internet, fax, cameras, mobile phones with battery, even Apps for codds sake - except Video phoning. It is almost as if we choose to go wireless and smartphone to have an excuse not to have vid phones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Would this mean we give 2 year olds the right to vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Would this mean we give 2 year olds the right to vote? 2 year olds are just as informed as some of their voting parents, why not? (ok , not really ok, but, I have become supercynical) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vondy Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Would this mean we give 2 year olds the right to vote? Listening to my friends and co-workers "discuss" politics with a presidential election coming up? It wouldn't change much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted October 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 There is a thing called a Sapience Quotient, which is based on, more or less, the bit processing speed of the brain/neural structure. Humans have an SQ of around 13, and the theoretical maximum SQ would be 50, which is 37 orders of magnitude higher. This particular form of measurement suggests that "1000 IQ" might simply be a 1 point uptick in human SQ. It also suggests a possible reason ETI hasn't communicated with us: either they are too dumb to understand, or we are. A difference of 10 points in SQ would be an unimaginably huge gulf in cognitive ability. It would be like trying to have a meaningful dialogue with your ant farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 There is also an issue of timescale. Have you ever watched a starfish chase? Where one flees the other, who is in pursuit, as fast as both can go? You can't quite observe it in real time; if you look, turn away, turn back in a minute, you'll notice the two have moved a bit. If cognition rates are comparable to an organism's physical motions, it would be difficult for us to perceive their communications. You can't really read a book one letter at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCold Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 1000 IQ, great. So in the future people will be as smart as 500 gym teachers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdoc Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 You're also a time traveler, apparently. We're all time travellers, in that direction As for 1000 IQ people, bring 'em on! Our planet does not noticeably seem to suffer from too much smarts. cheers, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Sadly, human intelligence seems to combine via multiplication, not addition. Stick a zero in there and we're doomed forever. Which makes altogether much sense these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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