zslane Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 I'd like to read a detailed explanation of how a remote, hidden African nation can be both completely isolated from the rest of the world and also much more technologically advanced. The two states are pretty much mutually exclusive (as I'm sure learned archaeologists, anthropologists, sociologists, and economists could attest). Oh, right, I forgot, there's magic in the MCU now... (groan) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 I'd like to read a detailed explanation of how a remote, hidden African nation can be both completely isolated from the rest of the world and also much more technologically advanced. The two states are pretty much mutually exclusive (as I'm sure learned archaeologists, anthropologists, sociologists, and economists could attest). Oh, right, I forgot, there's magic in the MCU now... (groan) Unless an alien vessel crashed in the area and the locals have been studying it's tech for centuries and have been using the resources on said ship to build their economy which, in at least one continuity of Black Panther's origin, is the explanation for their wealth and Wakandan vibranium. Also the fact that Black Panther took part in Civil War would seem to indicate Wakanda is not completely isolated from the rest of the world. After all if they were, he wouldn't have been there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 There ain't nothing wrong with magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 Unless an alien vessel crashed in the area and the locals have been studying it's tech for centuries and have been using the resources on said ship to build their economy which, in at least one continuity of Black Panther's origin, is the explanation for their wealth and Wakandan vibranium. Also the fact that Black Panther took part in Civil War would seem to indicate Wakanda is not completely isolated from the rest of the world. After all if they were, he wouldn't have been there. Oh, right, I forgot that "alien tech" has the same handwavey power to do impossible things as magic. I hope we get to see this amazing alien ship in the movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 I think it's early to find issues with something before we learn how the movie is handling it. bigdamnhero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 I think it's early to find issues with something before we learn how the movie is handling it. You're new to this internet thing, aren't you? Pattern Ghost, Rails and Lawnmower Boy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 Unless an alien vessel crashed in the area and the locals have been studying it's tech for centuries and have been using the resources on said ship to build their economy which, in at least one continuity of Black Panther's origin, is the explanation for their wealth and Wakandan vibranium. Also the fact that Black Panther took part in Civil War would seem to indicate Wakanda is not completely isolated from the rest of the world. After all if they were, he wouldn't have been there. Its been a Long time, but I was under the impression that Wakanda was not isolated, they just did not allow outsiders to visit. I think the current Prince, now King studied in America (NY of course!) and they were so severe about outsiders because of some bad experiances in their history...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 I'd like to read a detailed explanation of how a remote, hidden African nation can be both completely isolated from the rest of the world and also much more technologically advanced. The two states are pretty much mutually exclusive Yeah its one of those comic book things, like how Mr Fantastic can build a gadget for anything but never releases it to the public. A super rich, high tech African nation that.... keeps it all to its self and lets other nearby nations starve! Eh, oh well, its the comics, who cares, really? I don't read comics for the logic and consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 I'm pretty sure I've seen a comic story discussed that revealed Wakanda had a wide-spectrum cure for cancer and was withholding it from the rest of the world to stick it to The Man, or somesuch. Nevermind that I'm pretty sure cancer is a problem for native African populations as well as European colonial powers. Of course advanced tech in a hidden city could easily be explained by past contact with, say, someone like the Asgardians whose wonders are being depicted as technological rather than magic in the MCU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Given they retrofitted the Inhumans as just being mutants, there's no super tech hidden race to influence people like that any longer. Asgard makes as much sense as anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 As I remember it's Celestial/Eternal tech if anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Weren't the Inhumans and Eternals products of Kree meddling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 From Wikipedia: Technology base Due to its isolation and intentional isolationism, Wakandan technology has, until recently, developed entirely independently of that of the rest of the world. As such, the design philosophies and methodologies are different, and often incompatible, with conventional equipment. Wakanda is the world's most technologically advanced country. For example, Wakandan computer technology is much more powerful than that of the rest of the world, and is completely immune to outside hacking, as it is not based on binary electronics; it can, however, emulate the behavior of such electronics at hugely enhanced efficiencies, allowing it to easily hack almost any conventional system. Vibranium was used liberally in Wakandan tech, but the recent destruction of all Vibranium has forced large-scale redesigns. Tjack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 I figured that vibranium is the enabling device for Wakandan technology, rather than magic or aliens. "The most versatile substance on the planet," as cinematic Ultron put it. I guess it's like, what if there was only one country in the world that had petroleum? However, I doubt that MCU Wakanda's science has evolved entirely independently from the rest of the world, which has obviously heard of it, although not the truth of it. I'm sure Wakandans have studied in other countries before this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Yeah Vibranium is the source of their tech, I'm pretty sure. But you know, that's probably been rewritten 3 or 4 times since I last read about Wakanda decades ago. Now its probably transgender mice or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted June 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Weren't the Inhumans and Eternals products of Kree meddling? Only Inhumans. Eternals were created as an offshoot of humanity by the Celestials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 So they're going with the intriguing notion of parallel development. That is certainly plausible up to a point. But it doesn't explain the existence of large industry and a high wealth state economy while being isolationist. The difficulty of maintaining a smooth flow of trade with other nations when you never allow them (or their goods) onto your lands is problematic. You need a complex network of external shipping and storage depots, which need constant security, etc. Not to mention all the raw materials (and the labor force) needed to build everything "the most advanced society on Earth" needs. You can't acquire those things by simply sending out emissaries now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Yeah none of it really makes sense in the end, but it makes for an interesting place, and helps explain how he's got an even better Iron Man suit. bigdamnhero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Yeah Vibranium is the source of their tech, I'm pretty sure. But you know, that's probably been rewritten 3 or 4 times since I last read about Wakanda decades ago. Now its probably transgender mice or something. "What do you want to do tonight, Brain?" "The same thing we do every night, Pinky -- try to steal all the vibranium in Wakanda!" BoloOfEarth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 So they're going with the intriguing notion of parallel development. That is certainly plausible up to a point. But it doesn't explain the existence of large industry and a high wealth state economy while being isolationist. The difficulty of maintaining a smooth flow of trade with other nations when you never allow them (or their goods) onto your lands is problematic. You need a complex network of external shipping and storage depots, which need constant security, etc. Not to mention all the raw materials (and the labor force) needed to build everything "the most advanced society on Earth" needs. You can't acquire those things by simply sending out emissaries now and then. Well, the Chinese imperial government created designated trading centers on the fringes of their territory, and an elaborate mercantile bureaucracy, specifically to keep the "barbarians" they traded with from penetrating their society. Perhaps Wakanda has a similar arrangement to keep outsiders at arm's length. They may even use their neighbors as intermediaries, or only trade with partners they trust. It might also make a difference as to how collectivized the labor force is in terms of sharing the wealth, and how motivated they are to make sacrifices for the common good. Post-WW II Japan was notable for the willingness of its populace to put rebuilding their country ahead of their own comfort. Depending on how "versatile" vibranium turns out to be, Wakanda may not even need many of the goods the outside world considers essential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Young T'Challa: I don't want to eat my veggies! Nanny: Boy! There are starving children in Ethiopia, and here you sit, a Prince, wasting good food! Young T'Challa: Well, we could send it to the Ethiopian children if we weren't an isolationist regime! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Only Inhumans. Eternals were created as an offshoot of humanity by the Celestials. IIRC, the Kree actually got the idea after an encounter with the Eternals. drunkonduty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 I'm pretty sure I've seen a comic story discussed that revealed Wakanda had a wide-spectrum cure for cancer and was withholding it from the rest of the world to stick it to The Man, or somesuch. Nevermind that I'm pretty sure cancer is a problem for native African populations as well as European colonial powers. That is not exactly true. The offered it to the rest of world at price, and the rest of the world has so far not chosen to pay. However, since the rest of the world may in time change its position on this, it makes sense for Wakanda to hold out on the offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted June 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 IIRC, the Kree actually got the idea after an encounter with the Eternals. Most likely. I'd have to check the Handbook of Marvel Universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted June 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 Here’s Why Edgar Wright Didn’t Make Marvel’s Ant-Man http://screenrant.com/edgar-wright-exit-marvel-ant-man/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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