Lord Liaden Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 Scorsese is IMHO just out of touch with and prejudiced toward the genre. Coppola, of course, has come nowhere near the success of his early films in over two decades, so bitterness is very possibly a factor. Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 The American New Wave of cinema was a counter-argument to the mainstream Hollywood assumption that movies should, above all else, be entertaining. Auteurs were free to "send a message" to the audience so long as the movies were entertaining enough to make money for the studio, but being smart, insightful, and/or socially relevant was never the main priority. I can see why these guys would be feeling all out of sorts with Marvel movies because it surely feels to them like the re-ascendance of the Hollywood ethos they worked so hard to undermine half a century ago. Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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csyphrett Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 17 hours ago, Bazza said: What are the allegations, Bazza CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 https://www.tmz.com/2019/10/14/jeremy-renners-ex-wife-sonni-says-gun-in-mouth-threat/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishFox Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 Messy divorces are so full of lies and distortions that it's impossible for outsiders to have any idea what actually happened. Hopefully he doesn't get booted from the franchise unless something can actually be proven. You know - old fashioned things like - facts, due process, etc. Armory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 i remember Johnny Depp's divorce and his ex said he was abusive, but he was the one with the cut off finger. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 Performing artists are seen as particularly vulnerable to scandal, since so much of their marketability depends on their image. Yet the public has proven more forgiving of scandal in the long run than the suits in offices believe; or perhaps their memories just don't persist past the next good show the entertainer gives them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 6:18 AM, ScottishFox said: They sound bitter and out of touch with humanity. And bitter. They bought into the whole "movies are to enlighten the unwashed masses" BS. I don't know anyone that liked Goodfellas because it was art. They watched it because it was a good gangster flick. Like many people in various types of entertainment, they have been in their personal echo chambers so long they have completely forgotten the entertainment part. I've stopped caring about various directors film pedigrees. Once the worshiping starts they tend to forget what their real job is. And then they get snippy when their masterpieces start returning less and less $. Kind of like the awards shows highlight the boring and uninspired over the new and entertaining. slikmar, Twilight and ScottishFox 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 Cloak and Dagger cancelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 I watched the first episode, it just didn't feel right and I do not know who it was supposed to have as an audience Spence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Bazza said: Cloak and Dagger cancelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 This isn't news, really. This is all part of Disney's grand plan. We all know that Disney is not renewing any contracts with other networks or streaming providers in order to direct viewers to Disney+. Christopher R Taylor and ScottishFox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, zslane said: This isn't news, really. This is all part of Disney's grand plan. We all know that Disney is not renewing any contracts with other networks or streaming providers in order to direct viewers to Disney+. Freeform is fully owned by Disney (via Walt Disney Television). The decision might be related to Jeph Loeb's exit from Marvel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 Yep. Loeb leaving seems the better reason why Cloak & Dagger was cancelled. It is also now pretty much inevitable that Runaways will be cancelled after its next season. Silverlining... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Ternaugh said: Freeform is fully owned by Disney (via Walt Disney Television). Yes, but Freeform isn't Disney+. And since Disney's master plan is to deliver all Marvel television content through Disney+, those other shows have to be sunsetted. And that's because Disney does not, and never did have plans to move them to Disney+. In the context of this master plan, it never mattered who was going to be in charge of Marvel Television going forward, the plan was always going to be: scrap the old content in favor of the new. Replacing Loeb with Feige was simply part of that plan, not the catalyst for these the strands of its execution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 Well I wish them well, but I guess I won't be seeing any Marvel shows anymore. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 Yeah there's no way we get another streaming service, especially just to watch Disney content. I can comfortably live without ever seeing anything from Disney again. Super easy. Barely an inconvenience. Spence and mattingly 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 Quote Just weeks out from the official launch date of Disney+, Verizon announced on Tuesday that it’s partnered with the service to offer a full year of free streaming to all new and existing 4G LTE and 5G unlimited wireless customers. Plus, the company said any incoming Verizon Fios Home Internet and 5G Home Internet customers will also get 12 months of the service for free. https://gizmodo.com/a-free-year-of-disney-is-coming-to-verizon-customers-1839256833 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 ...or maybe the show just sucked.... Armory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Starlord said: ...or maybe the show just sucked.... You're not wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 Well, I enjoyed it. I've watched much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjcurrie Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 1:35 PM, zslane said: The American New Wave of cinema was a counter-argument to the mainstream Hollywood assumption that movies should, above all else, be entertaining. Auteurs were free to "send a message" to the audience so long as the movies were entertaining enough to make money for the studio, but being smart, insightful, and/or socially relevant was never the main priority. I can see why these guys would be feeling all out of sorts with Marvel movies because it surely feels to them like the re-ascendance of the Hollywood ethos they worked so hard to undermine half a century ago. Yeah, I think you may have hit the nail on the head with this one. The Marvel Studios approach to fim-making has a lot of similarities to the old Hollywood studio system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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slikmar Posted November 2, 2019 Report Share Posted November 2, 2019 18 hours ago, Bazza said: Wait, so a studio going under the "if it aint broke..." style of movie making? That doesn't make sense. Where is the corporate guys who have been in business their whole lives who KNOW they can make movies better and therefore need to tweek things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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