Matt the Bruins Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 To somebody it fits better? With paler skin, perhaps? We just got the new Captain America for about 30 seconds at the end of the last Avengers movie. I think it's a bit soon to have him pass the mantle on to somebody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 I think the next Avengers movie should open with the team in the field facing whatever opposition, with Falcon-Cap directing the battle, already settled into the role. Just skip the "I'm not worthy" crap and get down to business. What, after all, did Cap bring to the table for leadership? Strong tactical leadership in the field, and a strong moral compass. We've lost Cap, Natasha and Clint for tactical leaders. Winter Soldier may have the better tactical chops, but he's got way more personal baggage than Sam. Moral compass? I'm not sure they have anyone better suited than Falcon for that role. As far as goal setting, long term planning and other big picture stuff, the team generally seems to handle those matters on a committee basis anyway. Falcon seems to be a logical choice to replace Cap. The question I have is when they're going to set "The Falcon and the Winter Soldier" TV show in the timeline and how it will affect the movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 Actually, I was thinking, since is him, that he could pass it to someone of a minority, not necessarily white. Maybe set up something like the great grandson of Isaiah Bradley with remnants of the super soldier formula from the German's experimenting or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Matt the Bruins said: To somebody it fits better? With paler skin, perhaps? The MCU Falcon suit flies by the wearer extending his arms and little jets on the wings. The shield works by pulling whichever arm has the shield close to the wearer's body for protection or by using the arm in a throwing motion like for a Frizbee. Either one of those uses of the shield doesn't work when the wings are all that are keeping the wearer in the air. I think the Captain America identity would fit any hero better than the Falcon because using the shield interferes with the Falcon using his only superpower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Disagree on the arms since Falcon was doing a lot of 2-gunning in CA:TWS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Greywind Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Spider-Man should have called him for help with the Vulture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 That could have been a spectacular fight. Falcon clearly has the edge in aerial agility, but Vulture's alien tech gives him more firepower. Of course Peter didn't know Sam at the time. Re Sam Wilson, I could definitely see him as a tactical leader for the Avengers. But I'd rather see him as the Falcon. He's clearly most effective in the air, and besides mobility his wing-pack gives him protection and formidable hand-to-hand and ranged weapons. That shield is more effective when wielded by someone with superhuman strength and agility, like movie Cap. (I always thought it ridiculous that comic-book Cap could make it do what he does if his strength is only "peak human.") I would prefer to see the identity of Captain America retired in the MCU, until they give us someone with both the physical ability and the mentality to take up the shield. What I'm hoping for in the Falcon/Winter Soldier series is a journey for Bucky during which he comes to terms with his past and dedicates himself to his old friend's ideals, to the point where Sam turns the shield over to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Bucky might get more mileage out of the shield, but Sam has wielded it in the air in the comics during his stint/s as Cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 From the clips, it looks like Zemo is back in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted September 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: That could have been a spectacular fight. Falcon clearly has the edge in aerial agility, but Vulture's alien tech gives him more firepower. Of course Peter didn't know Sam at the time. THe first MCU appearance and fight with Spidy was against Bucky and Falcon. Granted he didn't know Sam, but he knew Falcon. 1 hour ago, Greywind said: From the clips, it looks like Zemo is back in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Zero has been in F&tWS for as long as i can remember. I'm thinking when the series was announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, Bazza said: THe first MCU appearance and fight with Spidy was against Bucky and Falcon. Granted he didn't know Sam, but he knew Falcon. Keep in mind, Falcon was Team Cap. Peter was Team Internship. mattingly and Lord Liaden 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said: Bucky might get more mileage out of the shield, but Sam has wielded it in the air in the comics during his stint/s as Cap. In the comics, his wings were Wakandan tech. A couple of times, it was mentioned that those wings use anti-gravity technology, though I'm not sure whether that's been the official explanation over the last three decades. Comic book tech is significantly more advanced than MCU tech. (Personally, I'd like the MCU to use the 5 year leap forward as an excuse to move the available tech a lot closer to comic book levels.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted September 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 On 9/14/2020 at 5:56 PM, Greywind said: Keep in mind, Falcon was Team Cap. Peter was Team Internship. Yeah but so? Spidey calls Happy who calls Sam. Sam turns up because that is what heroes do. "Team Internship" accepts the rule of international law, natural moral law, the will of nations, democracy (the will of the people), and favours the Avengers purpose as an advance team to stop interplanetary threats thus protecting the 7.5 billion people on Earth. Team Cap protects Bucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Bazza said: Yeah but so? Spidey calls Happy who calls Sam. Sam turns up because that is what heroes do. Leaving aside the fact that this is the same issue that arises in every solo comic book, given the tone of the movie, Spidey calls Happy, Happy tells Tony, Tony dresses Spidey down again for getting involved where the Big Boys should be handling matters. When would he have asked for that help? I don't recall any point where he knew he could just go after the Vulture in a few days, once he heard back on when the Falcon's schedule would be open to go after the Vulture. Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Jonathan Majors will be Kang the Conqueror in Ant-Man 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 And as to who will be the next Black Panther (same video as Starlord's link, but with the in-point set to the relevant position): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Starlord said: Jonathan Majors will be Kang the Conqueror in Ant-Man 3 I was kind of hoping that Kang would be the next big story arc for the Avengers movies. Not that Ant-Man couldn't be a good launching pad for that but Ant-Man hasn't always been the most serious movie series. I just don't see a van which plays La Cucaracha interacting well with a villain who could shrug off blows from Thor's hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 It's possible Kang starts as a background villain like Thantos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 What about Kodos? drunkonduty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, L. Marcus said: What about Kodos? The Executioner? Skurge took over that job. And sucked at it. drunkonduty and Lord Liaden 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drunkonduty Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 I think L. Marcus meant this guy. Lawnmower Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 I'm pretty sure he did. But Greywind was making a joke with the name of the character from TOS Star Trek episode, "The Conscience of the King," who was known as Kodos the Executioner; and linking him to the Marvel character also called the Executioner. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conscience_of_the_King Greywind and drunkonduty 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 Just . . . vote. https://ew.com/celebrity/chris-evans-speaks-nsfw-photo-gaffe-vote/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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