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12 hours ago, Lord Liaden said:

Chris Hemsworth has been pumping to play Hulk Hogan in an upcoming movie. That's why he looks more massive than ever.

 

Nah. He's trying to convince Tony's ghost that he is the mightiest Avenger.

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On 5/31/2021 at 6:11 AM, Spence said:

 

 

 

 

100% agreement.  I have enjoyed movies set in the original period far more than any movie that was "modernized" in order for audiences to understand, because we all know the modern audience is extremely stupid and barely literate.  Everyone has to understand that the purpose of the modern movie is not entertainment, it is to push whatever agenda that the maker has decided they will uplift the mentally slow public from their pit of ignorance. 

 

I believe the MCU has entered a nose dive and will crater in the next year or so.  While people keep referring to the old successful movies, they are ignoring the last year or so.  They are also ignoring the MCU as a whole and how the emphasis has been totally redirected from entertainment and bringing the character to life to bludgeoning the peons with whatever, and maybe add some entertainment. 

 

Look at the MCU in the last few years.

 

Ant-Man and the Wasp 2018  - Ant-man relegated to bumbling sidekick
Captain Marvel 2019 - rewrote character into snide a$$ and then doubled down on vilifying half the potential audience with arrogance.
Avengers: Endgame 2019 - not much they could do at this late stage but were sure to add a "mens stupid, look! the women will handle it" image that did nothing for the story. Pure political agenda entry.
Spider-Man: Far From Home 2019 - Surprisingly avoided a jarring agenda insert.  You can find things if you feel the need and spend time, but the movie was just a movie overall. 

WandaVision 2021 - Completely deviates from the storyline at the end to avoid the toxic evil white man and then proudly proclaimed the reason.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier 2021 - never ending drum beat of "white man bad"

 

The MCU was so great because it was entertainment.  Now that they have decided they have a higher calling and are moving forward to "reeducate" people it will fall off.  I went to see Captain Marvel because I had always thought the character was kick-ass based on the comics I had read.  Of course I stopped reading them in the early 90's so I was surprised at Captain Marvel being so wimpy gullible personality'wise they had written the character.  I was really confused as to what they were trying to accomplish character'wise right up until I watched interviews where she spoke.  There was a time where the studios understood that some people just shouldn't speak in public if you wanted to sell the product.  Actors are profession make believe people.  They make believe they are someone they are not.  Make-believe.  I never believed that Robert Downy Jr was a genius inventor.   Not one moment. 

 

Here is a dose of hard reality.  If you select a portion of the population and define them as genetically evil "just because" and then load that into your product.  The vast number of that portion of the population will not buy it as soon as they realize what you are doing.  2018 was the beginning and not only has the overall audience seen it, but they have had the change reinforced by the streaming shows.  Much like the Oscars cratering as they honored virtually unknown films and used 90% of the show to proselytize.   Hollywood has also begun to see it.  Sure, the floor hasn't fallen in completely, but they have been adding bricks instead of straws and it won't be long.  The MCU is on the cusp and we will see in the next year or so what they do.  I am really looking forward to Black Widow.  But at the same time I am dreading it.  I am hoping that it was mostly made before they decided that agenda was more important than entertainment, but we will see.

 

US comics are in dire straights and no matte3r how they spin it it is getting worse.  Earlier this month I saw that the US graphic novel sales (comics + any other graphic style) was 15 million for the period.  While Demon Slayer sold over 100 million alone in the same period.

 

Another article showed the Demon Slayer line selling 385 million books in the period (I think this was a quarter and I'd have to go find the article) as opposed to Batman's 88,000.  Batman!  My favorite comic character can only muster 88,000? 

 

But then comics have long abandoned being rip roaring action and adventure in favor of being agenda driven.  With many of the writer telling their fans to get stuffed if they don't like it.  Good way to say good bye to their dollars.  Of course I see the constant comic editorials by DC, Marvel and such claiming that things are great.  The other day I read an article claiming comic store were going gangbusters lately.  I dropped by my local comic shop, actually a comic, gaming, collectable shop and ask him how things were going.  His is the last comic shop in a hundred miles.  And they were right, he has been doing great.  But it wasn't any of the current comics.  Business is being driven by collectables, old comic issues and manga.  When I looked at the shelf (and he maintains a fairly substantial number of shelves with trades) I did notice that the older run prints were sparse.  I also noticed that a good half of the floor dedicated to books was now manga.   His section of current titles were far less populated.  I remember at least 10 or more copies per issue filling the shelves, now it is maybe 3 or 4.  And he is down to one "draw cabinet" rather than the three from last year.

 

Things have really changed and I hope the US comic industry will realize that twitter really does not represent people that actually buy things and get back to being an industry that is there to entertain.

 

/rant

 


Now, you can add Loki to that list. 

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3 hours ago, Starlord said:

I saw the 'she's got help' scene in Endgame for what it was.  A fan-service moment for female fans in a movie full of fan service moments.

 

I also saw it as "what do you mean, we don't have a diverse roster of strong female characters?", to which the answer is "how many lead a movie, compared to male characters?"

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On 5/29/2021 at 8:14 PM, Old Man said:

 

The key Bond tropes are womanizing, gadgets, glamor/tuxedos, exotic locations, and action.  The first two have to be strongly adjusted in 2021 (though Casino Royale went a long way towards flipping the womanizing trope).  Craig-Bond has been a little short in the high society area, though he does get to dress up at least once an episode.


While Bond hasn't been lighting fires with their franchise for a long time now, I think their biggest problem isn't Jason Bourne, it's Austin Powers.  Those movies not only made a zillion dollars they skewered the Bond conventions so successfully that the people making Bond movies are afraid of using their own tropes.

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43 minutes ago, Jhamin said:


While Bond hasn't been lighting fires with their franchise for a long time now, I think their biggest problem isn't Jason Bourne, it's Austin Powers.  Those movies not only made a zillion dollars they skewered the Bond conventions so successfully that the people making Bond movies are afraid of using their own tropes.

 

Yeah, baby!

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8 hours ago, Starlord said:

I saw the 'she's got help' scene in Endgame for what it was.  A fan-service moment for female fans in a movie full of fan service moments.

 

As an element in that fan service, it's also a callback to a concept that ran in Marvel Comics, A-Force.

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18 hours ago, Lord Liaden said:

You make your perspective very clear, Spence. I share some of it, but not most of it, but that keeps life interesting. :)

Thanks.

 

I try to present my thoughts in a way that they are understandable without be perceived as antagonistic.  I don't know if I succeed, but I hope so.

 

Understanding does not equal agreement, which is why I am puzzled sometimes by reactions.

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Just now, Spence said:

Thanks.

 

I try to present my thoughts in a way that they are understandable without be perceived as antagonistic.  I don't know if I succeed, but I hope so.

 

 

 

So few people make the attempt on the internet these days that any little bit helps.

 

< Cabot, Cabot, Cabot >

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On 6/7/2021 at 2:22 PM, Lord Liaden said:

 

As an element in that fan service, it's also a callback to a concept that ran in Marvel Comics, A-Force.

 

I mentioned this before...the "girl power" scene was set up like a comic book splash page. If that isn't in genre....I don't know what is. A similar scene occurs in the first Avengers movie and nobody complains about how "forced" that is.

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Oh it was obvious pandering "look at how woke we are" but meh, its just a big splash page like Dr Mid-Nite said, and those are pretty standard.  If they'd had the girls show up and save the day while mocking the men and the men were all worshipful, that would be just annoying and proselytizing (happens enough in movies) but they didn't go there, it was just a nice TA DA!!!! moment like the Avengers pose-off in the first movie.

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On 5/31/2021 at 1:18 PM, Greywind said:

Compare Danvers to Maverick in Top Gun. There's a lot of similarities in their arrogance and confidence. But it's okay for Maverick because he's a guy and not okay for Danvers?

Maverick did it a smile. Danvers can’t smile. Maverick lost a friend due to that arrogance and was humbled enough to learn at the top gun school. Danvers only learned that she was being held back by the system. 

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