Bazza Posted December 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 For all the flack the recent FF film gets, that does look like The Thing. But needs to be more orange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 He might have been bright but the lighting didn't show it. Like the DECU, that movie also happened in a world without sunshine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 The Fant4stic Thing was better, but not quite what I see him as. They need to study how Byrne handled the character and build that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagged Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 I would like to see the Thing start off relatively smooth but become more rocky when he goes through the cosmic rays for a second time. Like they did in the comics ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Yes, it does seem that movie versions of the Thing have definitely gotten off to a rocky start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 I agree, they shouldn't take character design for granite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Quote I would like to see the Thing start off relatively smooth but become more rocky when he goes through the cosmic rays for a second time. Oh the things they could have done with a halfway decent first film. Instead we got.... yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 If Disney does succeed in buying the Fox movie properties, a new Fantastic Four would be one of the easiest elements to integrate with the Marvel Universe. The X-Men's social-commentary baggage would probably require it to be set in an alternate superhero universe (with crossover potential), but there's no serious obstacle to inserting the FF into the mainstream MCU. And since it looks like some of the old guard in that setting will likely be moving on after Infinity War and its sequel, the FF could be the vanguard of the new wave of heroes. Plus, Dr. Doom! Galactus! Silver Surfer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Yeah, I'm much more excited about the prospects of the Fantastic Four being folded into the MCU than the X-Men. If only they came with the rights to Namor as well... I almost don't care what happens with the X-Men property. The two attempts at live-action X-Men teams have left me disappointed in numerous ways, even if some of the films have been good, and I'm just not convinced that even Marvel would present them the way I would want them to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 I really think they could do a great version of X-Men that had a little of the mutant hysteria stuff, but wasn't just about that. I mean of the 500+ X-men comics that have come out, how many were specifically about anti-mutant hysteria? Its been there and sometimes its an undercurrent, but usually they are doing other stuff. And that other stuff is what they could do stories about instead of needing to put out a long series of tired allegories. X-Men is the biggest property that Marvel has in comics, its by a HUGE margin their best seller historically (although not right now). And in terms of comic book movies, its kind of meh with tepid fan response. That tells me that the people making these movies have not tapped into what makes people really like the X-Men and marvel studios might have a better idea and do a better job with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 I feel that one huge difference is that the X-Men comics focused heavily on the characters, whereas the movies focused heavily on events that the characters were merely swept up in. It is the difference between small character-driven storylines that can span many issues of a comic title, versus large epic storylines that must fit into self-contained 2-hour viewing experiences. Maybe the thing that makes the X-Men such a good comic book property is the very thing that makes them a mediocre cinema property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Honestly, in my experience, X-Men is only a good property when Chris Claremont and Stan Lee are writing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Claremont made the characters interesting and relatable, but distinct and well defined. They were on adventures not because people hate mutants but because they were trying to protect the world and fight bad guys, or help people. The stories were not only contained in each comic, but part of a larger, more plausible-feeling universe. That's all stuff that the Marvel cinema people have done very well with, for the most part (some of them are the cause of their own misery, such as Iron Man). The X-Men movies haven't really been about the X-Men at all, they were really kind of irrelevant to the tale. That can work - the Batman movies weren't really about Batman at all - but you have to be really good to pull it off. Brian Singer etc aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 http://www.ibtimes.co.in/sorry-deadpool-ryan-reynolds-x-mens-wolverine-avengers-unite-disneyfox-close-acquisition-deal-752102 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 If they bring the X-Men into the mix, I want them to recast everyone, including Wolverine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 And there was much rejoicing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 6 hours ago, Starlord said: Honestly, in my experience, X-Men is only a good property when Chris Claremont and Stan Lee are writing them. I also like Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men. But generally speaking: yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted December 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Rumour: Hugh Jackman may return as Wolverine for Avengers 4 cameo. http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/hugh-jackman-return-wolverine-avengers-4-cameo/ If there is a god, or Living Tribunal, please let this be true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagged Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 11 hours ago, Starlord said: Honestly, in my experience, X-Men is only a good property when Chris Claremont and Stan Lee are writing them. As an old guard X-Men fan I feel it all went to the crapper when Claremont got put in charge. IMO his worst crime is his female characters who all turn into hard bitten warrior women :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Scuttlebutt among comics fans is that Chris Claremont was something of a cokehead during the Eighties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted December 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Marvel’s Kevin Feige Has Some Advice For The DC Extended Universe http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/kevin-feige-has-some-advice-for-those-building-the-dc-extended-universe/#gallery-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Unsurprisingly, the Vanity Fair writer gets it wrong: Iron Man was never intended to be part of a bigger universe or connect to the Avengers. The teaser at the end was just fan service, the writers having fun. Only after it took off and was so popular did they start thinking "you know..." But Feige's advice sounds a lot like what we've been saying here: focus on character, story, and making a movie, not making a franchise and making money. Look at the successful franchises out there. How many set out to be one? None, that I know of. They just tried to make the best film they could, and when it worked, decided to make more. Quote IMO his worst crime is his female characters who all turn into hard bitten warrior women Yeah he started to fall into a bit of a rut. His best work was with Byrne, who helped with plotting when he was doing the art. Byrne has his flaws as well but his run on the Fantastic Four is one of the best in comics history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Right. At most, each franchise set out to be a trilogy of films (The Hulk notwithstanding), not components of a team-up movie. Had WB/DC taken the same approach as Marvel, their movies might have gone something like this: 1. Man of Steel - End credits teaser shows Hal Jordon telling Superman that he's not alone as a "champion of Earth". 2. Wonder Woman - End credits teaser shows Diana, in present day, meeting Bruce Wayne at an art auction. 3. Man of Steel 2 - The plot brings Green Lantern in for a minor bit of teaming up with Superman. 4. Batman - Brief cameo for Barry Allen. 5. Aquaman: King of Atlantis - End credits scene shows Hal Jordon being told by the Lantern Corps to gather Earth's heroes for what's to come. 6. Justice League - Green Lantern brings Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Aquaman, and Flash together to defend earth against an invasion by Braniac. 7. Man of Steel 3 8. Wonder Woman 2: The Sorcereress Queen 9. Batman 2: Knight of Gotham 10. Green Lantern Corps 11. Justice League: The Dark Side - Darkseid gives it a go... 12. Flash - Oh god, any storyline except Flashpoint, please! 13. Batman 3: Darkest Knight 14. Dr. Fate 15. Green Lantern Corps 2 16. Nightwing 17. Wonder Woman: War of the Gods 18. Batgirl 19. Justice League: Ultimate Crisis - to be concluded the following year by Infinite Crisis. : Instead, they went with this: 1. Man of Steel 2. Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice - Wonder Woman joins boss fight at the end. Barry Allen teased in end credits scene. 3. Suicide Squad - Brief flashback cameo by Batman. (Entertainment press dubs this the "DCEU", a shared cinematic universe intended to rival the MCU) 3. Wonder Woman 4. Justice League - 5. ...immolation of the DCEU and the reassigning/firing of everyone at WB/DC involved in creating it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 56 minutes ago, Christopher R Taylor said: But Feige's advice sounds a lot like what we've been saying here: focus on character, story, and making a movie, not making a franchise and making money. Look at the successful franchises out there. How many set out to be one? None, that I know of. They just tried to make the best film they could, and when it worked, decided to make more. Yeah, if you're hoping to build a franchise off it, fine. But start by making Good Movies and let the larger story develop around them, rather than starting with The Franchise and then trying to shoehorn everything into those constraints. 57 minutes ago, Christopher R Taylor said: Yeah he started to fall into a bit of a rut. His best work was with Byrne, who helped with plotting when he was doing the art. Byrne has his flaws as well but his run on the Fantastic Four is one of the best in comics history. And to be fair in his early days Claremont was writing strong female superheroes at a time when the Wasp & the Invisible Girl were still mainly there to get knocked out or captured every other issue. I agree his work went downhill, but introducing characters like Storm & Kitty Pride? Can't fault him there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Storm was Wein and Cockrum. Giant-Sized X-Men #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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