Starlord Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 pinecone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/04/10/metro/years-boston-police-kept-secret-union-president-was-an-alleged-child-molester/ pinecone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Cygnia said: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/04/10/metro/years-boston-police-kept-secret-union-president-was-an-alleged-child-molester/ So not supprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, pinecone said: So not surprised. Ditto. Boston was where Whitey Bulgar had his deal with the FBI after all. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted April 20, 2021 Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 Well, over and above that, closed ranks is not unique to police or to Boston. And it isn't remotely new. Do we even need to go over the history? So, look, it's heinous, but it doesn't to me say anything about the police per se, or about Boston. It shows primarily that institutions cannot be relied upon to discipline themselves. In other news...while we love to hate Marjorie Taylor Greene, can we also muzzle Maxine Waters? Cripes, that asinine comment of hers could *readily* result in a retrial. Judge denied a motion for a mistrial, but conceded they could be grounds for overturn on appeal. NOT what *anyone* needs here. Someone said it earlier...I'd hate being on this jury. Pariah, Iuz the Evil and Starlord 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted April 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, unclevlad said: Well, over and above that, closed ranks is not unique to police or to Boston. And it isn't remotely new. Do we even need to go over the history? So, look, it's heinous, but it doesn't to me say anything about the police per se, or about Boston. It shows primarily that institutions cannot be relied upon to discipline themselves. Neither is this defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted April 20, 2021 Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 Derek Chauvin guilty of all charges. Good. Twilight, Duke Bushido, wcw43921 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted April 20, 2021 Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Starlord said: Derek Chauvin guilty of all charges. Good. More of a relief than a surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 20, 2021 Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, archer said: More of a relief than a surprise. No, I was surprised. We'll see how the inevitable appeal goes. pinecone and Matt the Bruins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted April 20, 2021 Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 Something I noted--Derek Chauvin didn't seem surprised. Did he finally realize he'd done something wrong? Or does he still believe he did what he was supposed to, and that public opinion combined with political pressure led to an "unjust" verdict? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted April 20, 2021 Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 49 minutes ago, Old Man said: No, I was surprised. We'll see how the inevitable appeal goes. I’m not sure how that appeal will go, Maxine Waters should get a thank you note from the defense. The judge even commented. That said, it was a reassuring verdict and I’m pleased to see the legal system work as intended in this aspect of a tragic loss of life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted April 20, 2021 Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, wcw43921 said: Something I noted--Derek Chauvin didn't seem surprised. Did he finally realize he'd done something wrong? Or does he still believe he did what he was supposed to, and that public opinion combined with political pressure led to an "unjust" verdict? I haven't yet watched the reading of the verdict. I'd imagine the defense team advised him to not express any emotion, regardless of the outcome. The public is going to read what they want into any reaction. And any strong reaction which provokes the public might work against him in appeals and/or the upcoming civil case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted April 20, 2021 Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 aoc's view on the verdict https://www.instagram.com/tv/CN57HcjH1eV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted April 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Iuz the Evil said: That said, it was a reassuring verdict and I’m pleased to see the legal system work as intended in this aspect of a tragic loss of life. I'm happy that this will set a precedent. Iuz the Evil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted April 21, 2021 Report Share Posted April 21, 2021 It's also plausible the appeals court will nullify at least one charge, because the charges completely overlap each other. The charges from NYT: Quote 1) causing the death of a human being, without intent, while committing or attempting to commit an assault (second-degree murder); 2) unintentionally causing a death by committing an act that is eminently dangerous to other persons while exhibiting a depraved mind, with reckless disregard for human life (third-degree murder); 3) creating an unreasonable risk, by consciously taking the chance of causing death or great bodily harm to someone else (manslaughter). So the first two feel like they address different aspects and could both stand. #3 seems subsumed by #2 to me, so if that gets overturned on appeal, I'd be fine with that . Also somewhat interesting that the verdicts came down fairly quickly, or so it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted April 21, 2021 Report Share Posted April 21, 2021 I am in no way, shape, or form qualified to comment on all the legal aspects of this. But I will say that from the gallery, this conviction passes the eye test. pinecone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted April 21, 2021 Report Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 hours ago, unclevlad said: Also somewhat interesting that the verdicts came down fairly quickly, or so it seems. This wasn't a case with many ambiguities to ponder as a juror. If you didn't credit his defense, the crimes are right there on video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted April 21, 2021 Report Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Pariah said: But I will say that from the gallery, this conviction passes the eye test. Oh, you're actually a peanut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted April 21, 2021 Report Share Posted April 21, 2021 That I'm a nut of some kind pretty much goes without saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted April 21, 2021 Report Share Posted April 21, 2021 Yeah, the Murder 3 and the manslaughter seem to overlap a bit to me too. The murder 2 seems entirely appropriate, though, and that's the biggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted April 21, 2021 Report Share Posted April 21, 2021 24 minutes ago, Pattern Ghost said: Yeah, the Murder 3 and the manslaughter seem to overlap a bit to me too. The murder 2 seems entirely appropriate, though, and that's the biggie. As long as he's not back on the streets anytime soon, that's fine by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted April 21, 2021 Report Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Twilight said: As long as he's not back on the streets anytime soon, that's fine by me. If by anytime soon, you mean never, then we agree. BarretWallace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted April 21, 2021 Report Share Posted April 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, Pattern Ghost said: If by anytime soon, you mean never, then we agree. That definitely works for me. He deserves to be in there more then some guys jailed for pot, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted April 21, 2021 Report Share Posted April 21, 2021 Chauvin has to face the treasury department now. Good luck with the IRS is all I got to say on that. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 21, 2021 Report Share Posted April 21, 2021 10 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said: Yeah, the Murder 3 and the manslaughter seem to overlap a bit to me too. The murder 2 seems entirely appropriate, though, and that's the biggie. As I understand it, the way sentencing works in that state, you only get sentenced for the worst of the overlapping convictions. So he effectively just gets murder in the second. I am neither a lawyer nor a midwesterner, though, so this may not be completely accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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