gewing Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 And they never will. Why? Because police and prosecutors are all collectively corrupt SOBs. The guy should thank the heavens the police didn't decide to go for a no-knock warrant that 'accidently' lead to his death. Such would be par for the course for most police it seems. La Rose. this is awfully broad brush. YES some, far too many, are. But stating ALL??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 edit, sorry, weird sort of double post The only thing worse than incompetent/corrupt/evil police officers are privatized incompetent/corrupt/evil police officers. I am not sure they are that much worse. Actually, I suspect they are not protected by the sovereign immunity laws and such, so should be EASIER to prosecute for misconduct, crimes, and corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 this is awfully broad brush. YES some, far too many, are. But stating ALL??? Probably not all. Then again, I note the unity that police departments present when one of their number commits an egregious offense like murdering someone for selling cigarettes. Blue line indeed. It's remarkable. 薔薇語 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted March 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 I am not sure they are that much worse. Actually, I suspect they are not protected by the sovereign immunity laws and such, so should be EASIER to prosecute for misconduct, crimes, and corruption. With privatized police, i suppose you could always cut coupons for grand theft auto, assault, B & E, etc. Just imagine the savings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted March 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 Here is what seems like a disproportionate use of deadly force -> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/01/lapd-fatally-shoots-homel_n_6780810.html. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 So, a four on one and they couldn't control the guy? This "going for the gun" schtick isn't really credible considering he's already been faceplanted and the police wear retention holsters. There's no way in hell that guy is getting an officer's gun out from that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted March 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 I've heard that police officers usually don't receive the best training or *any* training when dealing with the mentally disabled (and there are some homeless folk that don't have a full grasp on their sanity). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 So, a four on one and they couldn't control the guy? This "going for the gun" schtick isn't really credible considering he's already been faceplanted and the police wear retention holsters. There's no way in hell that guy is getting an officer's gun out from that position. so the repeated orders to "drop the gun" were pre planned to excuse murdering him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 so the repeated orders to "drop the gun" were pre planned to excuse murdering him? Possibly. If he actually got his hands on a gun, then perhaps just gross incompetence. I'll tell you right now he didn't get a gun out of a retention holster during that altercation. So, either someone had a gun out and let themselves be disarmed by the victim, or wasn't wearing a retention holster, or had a backup weapon that was accessible. Or they just yelled "drop the gun" and shot the guy. It's kind of hard to tell without better video. In any case, if that many police can't restrain one person, then none of them need to be police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-report-rampant-racism-other-scathing-findings-probe-230500693.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoneDaddy Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Possibly. If he actually got his hands on a gun, then perhaps just gross incompetence. I'll tell you right now he didn't get a gun out of a retention holster during that altercation. So, either someone had a gun out and let themselves be disarmed by the victim, or wasn't wearing a retention holster, or had a backup weapon that was accessible. Or they just yelled "drop the gun" and shot the guy. It's kind of hard to tell without better video. In any case, if that many police can't restrain one person, then none of them need to be police. I generally agree. I had a sheriff's deputy friend of mine let me try to remove his gun from his retention holster, and there was really only one way to do it and that way was nearly impossible to do from most positions, prone including. I doubt they were shouting that as a pretext, but I also feel it is exceedingly unlikely that the shooting was justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 this is awfully broad brush. YES some, far too many, are. But stating ALL??? I didn't say each police officer was. I did say "most" and that they are all collectively corrupt and I stick by that. I would safely wager that most cops (perhaps the vast majority) have done and / or are doing something illegal. Something that would get anyone of us locked up. There are countless stories accounting to this. And I think it is hard to claim that it is only a minority when so often the boys in blue do everything they can to cover up for each other. Their collective mindset is "protect ours" and not "protect the public". And it is hard to argue against that when you see stories like the above where 4 cops and 2 DA (IIRC) all went before a court to lie by swearing a man actually assaulted a cop in broad daylight in front of a court while everyone was watching. If so many cops are willing to lie to have a completely and utterly innocent man sent to jail for daring to "serve legal papers" to a cop, what do you think they are willing to do to everyone else? And if so many are willing to do it when the man is so obviously innocent, how many do you think are willing to commit lesser crimes when there is even less evidence that could be used against them. La Rose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Saddening article at the Atlantic Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsider Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Serious question... Fergusson is 2/3 African American. Why don't they just vote their racist government out? gewing and Ragitsu 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rails Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Pure speculation on my part, since I'm not from Ferguson and haven't even visited the area in the last decade--but possibly because the alternatives are just as bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 The lying cops and DAs in the recent post were in Louisiana, were they not??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Kurt, I heard an interesting bit on NPR about that. IIRC Apparently Ferguson's minicomputer all elections are held on a different cycle from any other elections, and the end result is almost all voters are white, and iirc upper middle class. Others could rarely get free to VOTE on an odd weekday. The fact that no state or national races were decided at the same time reduced turnout also. It has been a couple months so my memory is cloudy. Enforcer84 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted March 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Who be Kurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Kurt's that guy. You know the one. Yeah, that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted March 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/05/derek-cruice-shot-in-face_n_6805902.html The insane War On Drugs has got to go, and cannabis needs to be legalized across this nation pronto. Granted, the presence of the plant might (and I do stress "might") not have been the main impetus for sending S.W.A.T., but it seems like a stretch to say that it wasn't a key factor in their deployment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 So, why in the world was a SWAT team sent to serve a F*ing warrant? How is that considered something worthy of needing a SWAT team? Surely if SWAT is needed, then there must be a major violent crime in progress, right? Or at the very least the person needs to have a strong history of violence above and beyond the means for a single squad car of people.I hope that police officer is fired and potentially tried and put into jail for murder. I also hope this encourages that community to decommission their SWAT groups since they obviously can't be trusted to not murder people. La Rose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roter Baron Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Saddening article at the Atlantic Here That's not the police acting like the "mob". That is the Islamic State with the exception that the Ferguson Police Department never came around beheading people in public and gives a flying bown thing about religion. But with a little de-schooling in the American Constitution and a few "Ataboys!" I am sure that quite the majority of these so called "officers of the law" would also do that to the citizens of Ferguson - of course only if they have "probable cause" which means in Ferguson: The victim is poor and black. Not necessarily in that order. Disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted March 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 It is to no end infuriating how many of my fellow citizens with a severe jingoistic bent will talk about how great this country is before advocating certain changes that are starkly in opposition to the venerable legal document they would otherwise claim to love and protect. Why, one could almost mistake them for unlearned zealots with a treehouse mentality... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 This country IS great and that's why we should be doubly ashamed of #### like this. It's an insult to what we're supposed to be pinecone and Enforcer84 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 So I guess another kid got slaughtered in Wisconsin over the weekend? It's getting hard to keep track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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