assault Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 Of course no such leadership exists. The best possible outcome would be that these events start the process of creating one. But they would have to avoid being captured by the Democratic Party's machine, who would neutralize them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, Ragitsu said: The protestors need strong and legitimate leadership advocating for crystal clear goals. I worry that they'll eventually be "put down" by the government and we'll therefore be left with another chapter of the United States of America's history where nothing of substance was achieved. Oh, that's absolutely what will happen, no question. Even if protesters have strong and legitimate leadership, they're stuck between right wing provocateurs starting riots and heavily militarized police forces that view the protesters as the enemy. A neo-Nazi set fire to the courthouse in Nashville. Border Patrol literally (and illegally) tracks Minneapolis protesters with Predator drones. Further violence is openly provoked by an administration that was put in power by an electorate that was and is brainwashed by the administration's propaganda network. Have they blamed the violence on Joe Biden yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 I read an interesting piece recently, which I can't find!, that argued that a lot of the power of the non-violent movement that Martin Luther King led came from the implicit threat of violence. The choice was non-violent change, or the other kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted June 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 Ternaugh, csyphrett and Brian Stanfield 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 8 hours ago, Twilight said: Well what were they supposed to do, hold still so the psycho could do his Robin Hood impression and maybe kill them? Heck no. that gump deserved any beating he got. You see a thousand pissed off people, maybe you should keep driving. I know that's what i would do. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, Ragitsu said: His department offered to escort for George Floyd's funeral. I think he's right. Trump should shut up. He can't really do anything as the president and his talking is just making people realize how much they hate the government which is not something the police need right now CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, csyphrett said: Heck no. that gump deserved any beating he got. You see a thousand pissed off people, maybe you should keep driving. I know that's what i would do. CES The problem is that he was stuck in traffic and couldn't keep driving. That's what the initial protest Saturday in SLC was supposed to be: people in cars driving around the block containing the public safety building. He was tired of the gridlock, and decided to take out his frustrations with a bow. Not a good decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, csyphrett said: His department offered to escort for George Floyd's funeral. I think he's right. Trump should shut up. He can't really do anything as the president and his talking is just making people realize how much they hate the government which is not something the police need right now CES Realistically, the only thing the President could say right now that might end the violence is "I shall resign the Presidency effective at noon tomorrow." aylwin13, Ragitsu, csyphrett and 3 others 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, Pariah said: Realistically, the only thing the President could say right now that might end the violence is "I shall resign the Presidency effective at noon tomorrow." Why do you have DT's avatar, Pariah? CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 You shoulda seen Cancer's version of DT's avatar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Pariah said: Realistically, the only thing the President could say right now that might end the violence is "I shall resign the Presidency effective at noon tomorrow." I think "effective immediately" would also work Pariah and Matt the Bruins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 2 hours ago, csyphrett said: Why do you have DT's avatar, Pariah? CES I think you meant to ask “why does DT have Pariah’s avatar?” Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 4 hours ago, csyphrett said: Heck no. that gump deserved any beating he got. You see a thousand pissed off people, maybe you should keep driving. I know that's what i would do. CES Apologies for misunderstanding what you said. I'm just a bit high strung at the moments, due to these unfortunate events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Twilight said: Apologies for misunderstanding what you said. I'm just a bit high strung at the moments, due to these unfortunate events. It's been an unfortunate year. And we're not even at the halfway point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 Just now, Old Man said: It's been an unfortunate year. And we're not even at the halfway point. It doesn't look like it'll be finished by year's end either, though hopefully by then Trump's attempt at dictatorship will have horribly blown up in his face. I mean I don't know if I ought to be hoping for a full on revolution but....well in my opinion Trump and his followers deserve that fate WAY more then the Romanovs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 Hopefully. I really believe November is make or break for our country. Maybe sooner, if elections are cancelled. Or later, if certain people lose but refuse to leave. Meanwhile, here is a brief look at the disinformation campaigns around the protests (and the pandemic). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 A lesser evil. Also, "when there’s an unarmed person coming at them with a knife or something" is a curious use of the term "unarmed". Anyway, we now know the difference between the Republicans and the Democrats: they both want you shot, just in different places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 For the Not Just in the USA file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNakagawa Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 then there was this tone-deaf violation of the US Flag Code... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/01/cincinnati-ohio-police-thin-blue-line-flag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trencher Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 8 hours ago, Ragitsu said: The protestors need strong and legitimate leadership advocating for crystal clear goals. I worry that they'll eventually be "put down" by the government and we'll therefore be left with another chapter of the United States of America's history where nothing of substance was achieved. I suspect they will step forward either this time or next time in an attempt to assume control. I remember the Rodney King riots that seemed more organic. The media writings the riots it all seems staged now. Especially since everyone across political lines condemn the murder and wants the murderer judged as soon as possible. Off course a protest must be organized but the riots this time. I dont know man. People trying to hand out bricks? Obama writing an article that says these riots might be a turning point? The turning point already happened. The murderer got caught. This is going to cement that Trump guy for next term. Sorry to be pessimistic but that is how I see it. The demonstrations and the media seems to try to pretend he is going to get off scot free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted June 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 21 minutes ago, Trencher said: The murderer got caught. Will the murderer receive an appropriate conviction? That is the heart of the matter. ScottishFox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trencher Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 Yes. He is done. Video evidence is overwhelming and politicians from all sides are demanding swift justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Trencher said: Yes. He is done. Video evidence is overwhelming and politicians from all sides are demanding swift justice. Doesn't mean a thing. It has to be proven that he did something wrong. He was already tried for another murder and acquitted before this and still allowed to be on the police department. he's fired now, but so what. he should have been fired the first time. Fired out of a cannon CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted June 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Trencher said: Yes. He is done. Video evidence is overwhelming and politicians from all sides are demanding swift justice. I am afraid I cannot adopt your surety; history has elected to fill my heart with an abundance of skepticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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