Greywind Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 Found this amusing. Matt the Bruins, Ragitsu, Emperor Kang and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 10 hours ago, assault said: A lesser evil. Also, "when there’s an unarmed person coming at them with a knife or something" is a curious use of the term "unarmed". Anyway, we now know the difference between the Republicans and the Democrats: they both want you shot, just in different places. This is a good reason for him NOT to be our nation's Chief Law Enforcement Officer. He's also suggested shooting a double barreled shotgun over someone's head to scare them off as a home defense tactic. He's simply an idiot when it comes to anything relating to use of force. I hope he listens to his advisors on these matters if he wins the election. Note: I'll still take him over the current option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 U.S. police have attacked journalists more than 110 times since May 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 Boston Police Caught With Truck Full of Bricks; Are They 'Planting' Them to Incite Violence? Tom Cowan and pinecone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 9 hours ago, csyphrett said: Doesn't mean a thing. It has to be proven that he did something wrong. He was already tried for another murder and acquitted before this and still allowed to be on the police department. he's fired now, but so what. he should have been fired the first time. Fired out of a cannon CES Fired as in covered in glaze and set in a kiln works for me as well. They could figure out the heat level that should be survivable for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted June 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 Supposedly, some cops have gone out to meet the protestors and then behaved amicably in order to garner good publicity. Once the cameras go away, however...they're back to their usual thuggish shenanigans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, Ragitsu said: Supposedly, some cops have gone out to meet the protestors and then behaved amicably in order to garner good publicity. Once the cameras go away, however...they're back to their usual thuggish shenanigans. That....doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 16 hours ago, Trencher said: <SNIP> The turning point already happened. The murderer got caught. This is going to cement that Trump guy for next term. Sorry to be pessimistic but that is how I see it. The demonstrations and the media seems to try to pretend he is going to get off scot free. Sure, the murderer got caught ... by the cell phone carrying public. This cop had been 18 prior complaints filed against him with internal affairs, and yet he was still working for the Minneapolis Police Department. It took him killing a man in broad daylight in front a score of witnesses taking cell phone videos of the whole thing for the Minneapolis PD to do anything. Yes, by all means, lets give the Minneapolis police department a big round applause for a job well done. I wonder if they catch robbers or if they just wait for civilians to tackle them and then collect the robbers and take the credit. Sarcasm aside, people are right to protest. We need lasting structural reform of our police departments in order to counteract systematic racism, and officers with multiple complaints against them like Derek Chauvin shouldn't still be working in law enforcement. These changes will not happen if people settle for charges being brought against Chauvin and call it a day. They also won't happen from a some sternly worded letters to the editor, or peaceful speeches that the local newspaper might mention on page eight if even there. No, for change to come, people are going to have to be loud and forceful. They are going to sometimes have to refuse to disperse just because law enforcement told them to. Cygnia, pinecone, TrickstaPriest and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 Chauvin is being charged with second-degree manslaughter, and third-degree murder. Apparently it's common for prosecutors to add a lesser charge in case they fail to convict for the more serious one. Minnesota is one of the few states which categorizes murder into three degrees. First- and second-degree murder require prosecutors to prove that the defendant intended to kill the victim, and they may feel they would have trouble doing that... despite the visual evidence, and the fact that Chauvin and Floyd had a pre-existing relationship, both working as bouncers at the same club. It's also notoriously difficult to get a jury to convict a police officer on a homicide charge. The maximum sentence for third-degree murder in Minnesota is 25 years in prison, plus a fine of up to $40,000. However, it's extremely unlikely Chauvin would receive the maximum sentence even if convicted. Despite his lengthy history of complaints for excessive force and violence when on duty, all those complaints were dismissed, so technically this would count as Chauvin's first offense. Under those circumstances it's very likely his history would be disallowed as evidence in this trial. There's also controversy over the preliminary findings of the county medical examiner's report on Floyd's death, that there were “no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation,” and that “the combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.” (See official documentation here.) While legally Floyd's health would not absolve Chauvin of culpability in his death, such findings may lead a jury to find for a lower sentence. (His family is arranging for an independent autopsy.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted June 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 52 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: There's also controversy over the preliminary findings of the county medical examiner's report on Floyd's death, that there were “no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation,” and that “the combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.” (See official documentation here.) While legally Floyd's health would not absolve Chauvin of culpability in his death, such findings may lead a jury to find for a lower sentence. (His family is arranging for an independent autopsy.) I saw that. A coroner working to aid the police would not surprise me in the least. By the way..."potential intoxicants"? What a crock of crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 The family’s independent autopsy found that Floyd died of asphyxiation. Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 Here's an article discussing the differences in the two autopsies. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-autopsies-death-homicide-details/ Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 FBI Asks for Evidence of Individuals Inciting Violence During Protests, People Respond With Videos of Police Violence Ragitsu, pinecone, Hermit and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 Pertinent FBI warned of white supremacists in law enforcement 10 years ago. Tom Cowan and Old Man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 Spoilered for language pinecone and Lawnmower Boy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNakagawa Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 Chauvin has now been charged with 2nd degree murder. charges being prepared against the other officers present. pinecone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 31 years ago today: Not American, yet seems oddly relevant. Lawnmower Boy, Cancer and Matt the Bruins 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 Not police brutality, but this seems to be where we're talking about the protests. Spoilered for language. Emperor Kang and Matt the Bruins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 Unidentified paramilitary forces extend perimeter around dictator's palace Speculation is that these are ICE, Border Patrol, or Corrections. Though they could also be far right militias. Who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 https://www.npr.org/2020/06/02/868324634/d-c-protesters-hail-the-hero-of-swann-st-who-sheltered-them-from-arrest Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cygnia Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 Fact check: Police did destroy a medic area during protests in Asheville, North Carolina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 47 minutes ago, Cygnia said: Fact check: Police did destroy a medic area during protests in Asheville, North Carolina That's not the only one either. I find the chief of police's quote unbelievable. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 No kidding. They smashed a place because some times folks throw bottled WATER at them? that's the threat? Who knew these guys would melt like a witch from oz if hydrated? TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 Because knowledge is power, and it is my profession to dispense knowledge, and who knows when they will be sent for us, Get this. ... just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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