Twilight Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 So ... Supporting the criminals, eh? Please tell me you're joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Yes that was a joke. Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Story from Vice news: "Woman Arrested for Saying 'F*** the Police' Awarded $100,000 Settlement" A bit of good news I guess. La Rose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Yeah, rude and uncalled for, sure, but not something you should arrest someone for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markdoc Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Please tell me you're joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Can one actually be arrested solely for swearing at a cop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Can one actually be arrested solely for swearing at a cop? I would think , unless there is a local law for it in your area, no. However, as was shown in this example, cops can and will pull whatever law or regulation they want out of their ass and try to charge you with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeropoint Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Can one actually be arrested solely for swearing at a cop? It's becoming increasingly clear that one, especially one from a minority, can be killed by a cop for no more reason than the cop feels like one needs to die at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewing Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Can one actually be arrested solely for swearing at a cop? Technically swearing at someone could, iirc be considered assault. Aiui, there needs be no physical contact to constitute assault, but I suspect such is very rarely prosecuted. Probably Very hard to get a conviction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vurbal Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Technically swearing at someone could, iirc be considered assault. Under modern caselaw that's not even close to true. I don't have references at hand, and being lazy (and on a tablet ATM) I'm not inclined to look for them, but basically being rude or insulting to a cop has specifically been afforded First Amendment protection by the Federal courts. Just for a start, it's a restriction based on the content of speech, rather than its effects, which has been expressly forbidden by the SCOTUS for the better part of a century. That's not to say unconstitutional laws, particularly WRT the First Amendment, aren't on the books in many states. Even worse, it's pretty common for at least lower level state judges to have literally no background in the law, or interest in learning, who violate the First Amendment out of hand. Of course, that's how we get that caselaw correcting things, so it's not a total loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 If you swear hard enough, it might turn into "Fighting Words". From a Salt Lake Tribune article (no longer available), there was an article about a new set of "Fighting Words" guidelines the city had put out. it does provide examples of constitutional and unconstitutional speech, as deemed by various courts. For instance, a Wisconsin court ruled that protesters who formed a semicircle near a woman and shouted for six minutes that she was "a whore, harlot and Jezebel" were using "fighting words," which are not constitutionally protected. Fighting words are defined as personal insults directed at individuals that are likely to create a violent reaction and play no role in the expression of ideas. "If it [calling a woman a harlot] is directed to a specific person and especially in the presence of children or somebody's new husband, anybody could expect that that would elicit a violent response and that very likely would be considered fighting words under established constitutional doctrine," said Anderson, a former civil-rights attorney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vurbal Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 I'd be willing to bet a Fighting Words based conviction for swearing at a cop wouldn't survive appeal, except in the most extreme circumstances. The Fighting Words doctrine survives, to the modest extent it does, has to do with certain speech provoking an Imminent Lawless Reaction - another SCOTUS standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted December 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 "Orwellian" is rather fitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Impudite Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Spokane Sheriff's Department deputy says MRAPs are for going after Constitutionalists, Preppers, and people "stockpiling" guns: Whatever your opinion may be of Alex Jones and Infowars, the fact remains that they caught this moron on camera saying all this, and it is a reflection on the kind of "training" these goosestepping pinheads are getting. Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 "Orwellian" is rather fitting. Well, Follmer is so clueless to his own arrogance and borderline evil that it is...down right chilling Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Edit: This is in response to the Alex Jones clip above. That clip cuts off the full answer, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. We recently had a murder up this way that was committed by a guy who was a prepper who thought he could get away to his bunker in the woods. A while back before that, there was a group in (I think) Wyoming, who were busted for plotting to kill off the local police. So, yeah, some bad elements aren't doing much for the reputation of the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 "Orwellian" is rather fitting. I can't tell who the bigger ass is here, the cop or the Young Turks moron. Gawain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 I can't tell who the bigger ass is here, the cop or the Young Turks moron. Oh, the Young Turks guy is often condescending that I can't stand him but I get the feeling if the Young Turks moron shot me, he'd go to jail. The cop? He's a moron with power over life and death, and that alarms me more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Impudite Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Edit: This is in response to the Alex Jones clip above. That clip cuts off the full answer, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. We recently had a murder up this way that was committed by a guy who was a prepper who thought he could get away to his bunker in the woods. A while back before that, there was a group in (I think) Wyoming, who were busted for plotting to kill off the local police. So, yeah, some bad elements aren't doing much for the reputation of the rest. You want to give that blood-thirsty knuckledragger the "benefit of the doubt" go right ahead. He has scumbag written all over him from my perspective, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted December 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Well, Follmer is so clueless to his own arrogance and borderline evil that it is...down right chilling What's freaky is the absolute lack of empathy for the family of the dead child. Can they not admit any feelings of regret for fear of that being used against them in a legal arena? It's a flucked up situation either way. I can't tell who the bigger ass is here, the cop or the Young Turks moron. I'd say the guy that's trying to put civilians in their proper (knees on the ground, torso bent forward, hands behind the back) place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Oh, the Young Turks guy is often condescending that I can't stand him but I get the feeling if the Young Turks moron shot me, he'd go to jail. The cop? He's a moron with power over life and death, and that alarms me more Oh, don't think I'm defending the cop. He's clearly got issues. I just really dislike that Young Turks guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted December 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Oh yeah...that video reminded me of something. On more than one occasion, law enforcement personnel, or those squarely on their side no matter what, comment that black suspects often look older than they are (in this case, a twelve year old apparently appeared to be twenty years old). The implication here is that the older you are, the more of a threat you are, correct?Well, if that's the case, why aren't police better taught how to assess a black suspect's age? Is this some impossibility that will never get worked around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 You want to give that blood-thirsty knuckledragger the "benefit of the doubt" go right ahead. He has scumbag written all over him from my perspective, however. Well, let's hope you don't ever pull jury duty, since you're so willing to convict someone on half-baked, edited evidence from a known loon. I'll judge the guy after I hear the whole clip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted December 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 If you swear hard enough, it might turn into "Fighting Words". From a Salt Lake Tribune article (no longer available), there was an article about a new set of "Fighting Words" guidelines the city had put out. "The suspect bludgeoned me with a barrage of spittle." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 If someone's close enough to you that their spittle is an issue, and angry enough to produce said spittle, I'd suggest that they should probably have their behavior corrected. That would seem to be in the attempting to provoke a fight category. When I was in CA, there was a code against trying to provoke a law enforcement officer. We were told not to actually arrest anyone over it, though. Probably too much hassle/expense over such a gray area type of charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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